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goalie 35 10-01-2010 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Moe Sabourin (Post 613999)
Similar thing happened to Trends Electronics back in 1999... a guy was on his way to the stage (if I remember correctly) and was walking between two of the vendor tents. He accidentally slipped and sliced his foot (leg) wide open on one of the steel pegs holding up the tent (they're hammered into the ground and the end sticks out about a foot... I'm sure you already know that). Anyway, from what I heard, that person sued Trends and won.

I can't remember how much the settlement was for, but it was a pretty high settlement.

That's why Trends doesn't do shows any more... the "Slam Jam" series was awesome back in the day...

But enough of that...

It's going to take ambitious and dedicated individuals to make shows happen, period. It takes a lot of preparation too; a person can't decide to hold a show and a month later there it is; it takes months of preparation and budgeting to make sure the event is successful and it doesn't cost a small fortune.

And, those who do want to host shows shouldn't pick "sides" either. Every org has its merits and there are a lot of people out there who compete in many orgs. Choosing one particular org alienates the others and lessens the turnout.

If all of us here are interested in the preservation of competition in Canada, then we need to look at the bigger picture; it's not "just" about dB Drag, or IASCA, or USACi, it's about our industry as a whole, including all of its retailers, distributors and manufacturers.

And don't forget consistency... one or two shows a year won't cut it... if we want our industry to grow, we need to commit to its success.

well said MOE. and as far as trophies looking great in the house.. hell my wife has to clean those suckas.. so iam all for getting reimbured entrance fee as opposed to a trophy.. iam in it for points and the fun.. a trophy for my is just the icing on the cake... but its just one idea to give back entrance fee. now that being said Will is right that everybody likes to see wicked looking trophies.. its a sense of pride and accomplishement so i dont know what to due with this issue.. maybe put it to a vote.

luke99 10-01-2010 04:58 PM

would be cool to have a trophy most improoved rookie thats handed out at the end of the season would give the rookie guys some inscentive to build towords somthing

zzzzzzz 10-04-2010 02:11 AM

trophy keep the kids happy

Wagonizor 10-13-2010 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by luke99 (Post 613799)
when you drive 10 hrs or so to a show you wanna atleast have somthing to show for your efforts besides pts , the rookies get reeled in when they seee a nice award they can take home from the work of their stereos , really if somone cant afford 20 to 30 dollors theres somthing wrong trophy kits can be bought for reasonible prices , and dukk the guy who manages avu here in duncan ran db drag with wayne harris for years his names sean but he longer has a passion for car audio and just cares about selling tvs , james thats great that your doing shows in 2010 there will be atleast 2 shows on vancouver island elevated wants to do a show again and ill be needing a judge for a show here in duncan so hope to see you out here for some shows

i totally agree that trophies reel in rookies. But for a veteran guy..a true hardcore veteran guy I dont see what difference they make. When you drive 10 hours to a show you dont come home with nothing other than points...you put up a good score...that you worked hard to achieve. And in the big picture you can put up your score against others across the world to see if you think you work hard, if you think you're a hardcore competitor....all it takes is to look at the leaderboard and what kind of numbers you've put up.

Most competitors goals isnt "to get 8 trophies this year" or "to get a trophy taller than i am" bc in all honesty it would be pretty easy to build for certain classes with no competition in them and take home all 1st place trophies will super weak numbers. Its true, its been done. In my opinion most dbdraggers goal is to achieve a certain spl, or a certain number or points, or a certain rank at finals, or a certain rank of certified spl worldwide/nationwide/continentwide.

The world finals trophies arent that much nicer than the ones Ive gotten at ****** dbdrag finals in kelowna but obviously world finals is a much more prestigious event. So I dont see how there can be a whole lot of emphasis put on the trophies for the veteran guys.

MIKEONE 10-14-2010 01:10 AM

why is it when we spell a n d r e s it asterisks it out...lol is that the new swear word?

SQmonster 10-14-2010 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by MIKEONE (Post 617484)
why is it when we spell a n d r e s it asterisks it out...lol is that the new swear word?

The owner of this forum had some bad blood with the guy that manages their car audio department and wants nothing to do with him or his guys.

JohnVroom 10-14-2010 02:54 PM

For the last 7 years I have been using TONY'S TROPHIES as my trophy/ plaque/ glass award source. But yeah the duty fees and shipping from USA would be unattractive. (though the trophies would be 'made' in USA and NAFTA should limit duties on north american made goods).

JohnVroom 10-14-2010 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Dukk (Post 613788)
Non-sanctioned shows are a bad idea. As mentioned, nobody but locals with nothing to do will show up. There is no way that more people will be attracted to an event with no credibility. People don't show up at Doug's Big DragRacing Show. They show up at an NHRA event.

The non-sanctioned shows are one of the things that put the knife in the heart of the big car audio shows. Originally the little car audio shop was footing a good sized bill to have a sanctioned show, every car audio shop in the region would build a car and compete it... then they figured out if they dont compete the 'shops car' then they cant loose to a different shop. Car audio competition was still popular, and products were flying out the door, so all was good. But that would start to change as attendance at the shows and product sales would slow
Then car audio shops figured out they could buy a meter and put on the show themselves and make money having the show. All was good till the quality went to hell in a hand basket and the cars the shop built started winning (the specter of impropriety is worse than actually cheating). Then attendance slipped and then the little car audio shop could no longer make money putting on shows... especially since they weren't competing a 'shop car' they had forgotten or had not learned any new tricks on getting loud or improving SQ. So in the end they stopped putting on shows (the competitors were not viewed as customers worthy of keeping, they would stick with their core business of selling car audio). Without the big car shows promoting the little car audio shop they lost market share and soon went out of business (reputation is everything in car audio).

n_o_s_21 10-14-2010 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by JohnVroom (Post 617643)
The non-sanctioned shows are one of the things that put the knife in the heart of the big car audio shows. Originally the little car audio shop was footing a good sized bill to have a sanctioned show, every car audio shop in the region would build a car and compete it... then they figured out if they dont compete the 'shops car' then they cant loose to a different shop. Car audio competition was still popular, and products were flying out the door, so all was good. But that would start to change as attendance at the shows and product sales would slow
Then car audio shops figured out they could buy a meter and put on the show themselves and make money having the show. All was good till the quality went to hell in a hand basket and the cars the shop built started winning (the specter of impropriety is worse than actually cheating). Then attendance slipped and then the little car audio shop could no longer make money putting on shows... especially since they weren't competing a 'shop car' they had forgotten or had not learned any new tricks on getting loud or improving SQ. So in the end they stopped putting on shows (the competitors were not viewed as customers worthy of keeping, they would stick with their core business of selling car audio). Without the big car shows promoting the little car audio shop they lost market share and soon went out of business (reputation is everything in car audio).



good thing alot of consumers cars are louder than our local shops cars are here then....lol....

Moe Sabourin 10-14-2010 04:47 PM

Dealers have to remember that the whole idea of having the "veteran" competitors at their shows (when sanctioned) is to have experience help the newcomer.

When veterans in competition show up at a show, the newcomers see a place they'd like to reach someday. If they're treated poorly by veteran competitors, they say screw it and never come back...

So when a dealer puts on a sanctioned event, the veterans running for points need to remember that the shop is helping them and, they should return the favour by helping the newcomers learn about car audio, proper installation and they should promote that shop by telling newcomers to go check out the store and what they have.

Dealers do shows mainly as an advertising tool to help them earn more business; we must never forget that. So when they do a sanctioned event, their goal is to bring in veterans so newcomers can see the extremes that can be achieved in a sound system and hopefully decide they want one too, then buy it from that dealer.

Yes, they also understand that the veteran competitors get the benefit of competing for points and they offer it so veterans can help them out. If we as competitors go to these shows and do nothing to help them, the only people we're hurting is ourselves, because like the one shop in question has done, they'll just run local shows and we lose...

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