So.......let's cut the
01-18-2011, 07:46 AM
#191
in the end it is all a cash grabbing scheme for db drag really.
you dont need a judge in Ontario, you can just pay one from the US to come down and do a show (alternatively you can drive to the US to a multipoint show) but that would clost much more than having a local judge (their stay, gas, time, etc) which then would translate into higher entry fees.
so having a local judge is cheaper for everyone.
sometimes they make money and sometimes they dont, it all really depends on what's negotiated between a judge and event promoter.
is it worth your while to be a certified db drag judge? in my opinion it is not. there are alot more head aches and hustles than rewards. majority of guys do it b/c they enjoy it. you do not become rich doing this.
01-18-2011, 10:03 AM
#192
The reason I asked was so that I could make this statement: Then the judging atmosphere needs to change.
What person in their right mind would give up 2-3 weekends all summer, to judge (and get criticized doing it) a car audio event and basically get no reward from it, other than a "personal gratification" ...
How can a judge feel pumped and excited about what he / she is doing, if they aren't even taken care of.
Taking care of them means higher fees? Not necessarily.
I think it means an effort from db drag ...
I mean, that just sounds like a ridiculous system to me. Time is money, why are you letting people waste theirs. Doesn't make sense to me.
What person in their right mind would give up 2-3 weekends all summer, to judge (and get criticized doing it) a car audio event and basically get no reward from it, other than a "personal gratification" ...
How can a judge feel pumped and excited about what he / she is doing, if they aren't even taken care of.
Taking care of them means higher fees? Not necessarily.
I think it means an effort from db drag ...
I mean, that just sounds like a ridiculous system to me. Time is money, why are you letting people waste theirs. Doesn't make sense to me.
01-18-2011, 10:36 AM
#193
i agree. that is why i said it is not worth it.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
Last edited by Father Yuli; 01-18-2011 at 10:39 AM.
01-18-2011, 07:24 PM
#194
It really was an eye opener when our team went around and talked to shops around here... only one stepped up and they were not even from Windsor. So we had to look to other means of support... special thanks to those who helped us out.
In the end it really is a lot of work... but was worth it all when we had a decent turnout, and many new people really enjoyed their first competition.
Our whole team worked on making the show a success, I can't imagine the work Don does bringing these shows almost every weekend... hats off bro.
In the end it really is a lot of work... but was worth it all when we had a decent turnout, and many new people really enjoyed their first competition.
Our whole team worked on making the show a success, I can't imagine the work Don does bringing these shows almost every weekend... hats off bro.
01-18-2011, 08:12 PM
#195
i agree. that is why i said it is not worth it.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
01-18-2011, 10:12 PM
#196
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,599
I was putting on 20 shows a year (that's 20 lost weekends) for 6 or 7 years, each show takes a week or three of preparation. Each show takes a lot of effort to upload results correctly and make sure the results and member points are awarded correctly (and you WILL get the phone call when a name is misspelled or the member needs more points to qualify for finals). You buy a full trophy set for each show (including nameplates that identify the shows sponsor).
The folks that put on the show take a lot of guff for shows they might or might not be taking a loss on. Try to be understanding (but dont accept a crappy product either). If you are thoroughly dissatisfied with the shows in your area you can do like I did and put them on yourself (I chose to keep the sanctioning in tact as people like to compete on the larger scale even though it hurts the shows bottom line.)
Where are the primary cost drivers? For me:1-trophies 2- judges 3- sanctioning fee (I bought better than average trophy sets and paid my judges 30 to 40% over average as I am a bitch to work for). If you put on enough shows you start breaking stuff (tents, tables, monitors) and then you get to buy more.
The folks that put on the show take a lot of guff for shows they might or might not be taking a loss on. Try to be understanding (but dont accept a crappy product either). If you are thoroughly dissatisfied with the shows in your area you can do like I did and put them on yourself (I chose to keep the sanctioning in tact as people like to compete on the larger scale even though it hurts the shows bottom line.)
Where are the primary cost drivers? For me:1-trophies 2- judges 3- sanctioning fee (I bought better than average trophy sets and paid my judges 30 to 40% over average as I am a bitch to work for). If you put on enough shows you start breaking stuff (tents, tables, monitors) and then you get to buy more.
01-18-2011, 10:27 PM
#197
i agree. that is why i said it is not worth it.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
there really is no reward from db drag itself. the only reward a judge can have, aside from maybe making a few hundred bux, is appreciation of competitors for which the shows are put on.
you are dead on about giving up your weekends. that combined with head aches and constant criticism was the reason I've passed on being a judge. i guess i do not enjoy this THAT much.
db drag goes with whoever brings in the cash, like in this particular scenario with our american "friends", the reason they got away with it for so long is because they were brining in the cash. until they started stealing membership fees, which is pretty much stealing from db drag itself. only then something happened.
years back, alot of support and rewards were provided by manufacturers, those days are long gone and it's gotten way tougher to produce quality events with quality promotions. all that costs time and money.
db drag does not promote itself at all, period. all promotion is left up to the judge and whoever is hosting the event. and as you know often times events do not take place at a car audio shop, so that element of promotion is completelly taken out of the equastion, which makes it even harder to bring in people to your shows.
when a shop is not involved, majority of the promotion is done on this very website (which is not too keen on people using it for ANY profit potential unless you are a paying vendor), and word of mouth.
before we flame CCA let's look at it from their point of view. This website is a business and it would not make sense for a business to promote another business (db drag) without ANY financial support.
it would be great if CCA was setting up their own events like they once did. but the head aches and hustles of it just was not worth it for them in the end. especially when you have site users telling the site owner they will punch him in the throat, burn his house down and other stupidness.
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