Sub Box From Hell
 

Hey guys,

came up with a few ideas i'd like to do to two small sub boxes i'm making - After my recent (2nd within 2 years) break in, i've had enough....so i'd like to make things as hard, and painful to steal as possible.

Any feedback, or suggestions would be fantastic. I've already got the car alarm/security ideas on the table, so now I just need help with the amp/subbox situation.

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Pretty self explanatory. But i'll list it anyways

- 3 metal L brackets, 1 per side of the box except the face. 2 bolts per bracket, 1 going into the sub box, with the nut on the INSIDE of the box. 1 bolt going through my car, with the nut underneath the car.

Question regarding bolts- The bolts that come into the subbox sides, should I use wood glue around them, then push them through, then silicon around the inside of them? Its a sealed box so it needs to be well - Sealed. Is this overkill? Or would this be a good idea?

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Using...

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OLFA blades, between the creases of the subbox sides/bottom/top, place them there, then proceed to wood glue/screw the box together. If these guys want my equipment, they better be prepared to loose some blood over it.

Lastly, when putting the sub woofer in the box, use screws with a TORX bit. After installing, getting metal BB's and putting them in every 2nd screw head, then give it a good tap to smush it in. Only way of removing is chiseling it out, then using the torx.

No such thing as overkill when it comes to protecting your equipment!

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"No such thing as overkill when it comes to protecting your equipment!"

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You should grab some el-cheapo GPS transceivers from some china ebay store and plant them in the box, that way you can trace it back to the thief, or where ever the location of the box may be.

just use some strips of Razor Wire.......much more effective

seriously though..why not get a good 2 way alarm and maybee a Microwave sensor....

I have a good two way alarm, but its fairly ineffective when you're in a movie theater and doesn't stand a chance to page you, such as last time - 3 cars away from the front door of the theater. Wasn't within range...guys broke in, cut battery cable, went to town.

Just added a battery backup siren now, and in the midst of sealing my trunk, then the only way to get to my things are if you get through the backseats....which require my car key to open - Can't even unbolt the seats until you put them down with the key.

on a funny note, i'm also starting to seriously consider a FlashFog system. If the alarm that doesnt go off after cutting the battery cable doesnt do it...maybe a dense full car fog will! YouTube - Burglars get smoked right out! (Smash and Grab security)

maybe a band pass box with a sub inside of the box?

I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, thieves are one of the lowest forms of people.

Regarding the use of razor blades as a deterrent, however satisfying the idea would be to get back at these lowlifes, there may be a legal issue surrounding it. You may be liable for any of the thief's injuries if they can prove your intent to harm. If there are any police or lawyers on this forum, maybe they can clarify it further.

I'm all for your idea, just cautioning about potential legalities involved.

Why not just bolt the box down from the inside and have no need for the L brackets.........

Can't belelvive I never thought of that. So 3 bolts through the bottom of the box.

Although I don't think that would give it the same strength 3 brackets on each side of the box would. Someone might be able to give the box one nice big kick to rip the bolts from the bottom - while it would me much harder to do so if it had support from 3 different sides

techinally you could do 4 from the inside at 4 diffrent sides....like in the middle of each face at the edge...then thats more than 3 sides on the outside....if u use a big washer, it wont be that easy breaking it out. plus L brakets are not that strong...unless ur using like angle iron...most L brackets are just like cheesy sheet metal.

bolt the box from the inside....and if ur super concerned, bolt it from the inside into the box and do a bandpass like yuli said...pop the trunk and all u see is a wooden box...no way of gettin the subs and that without takin the box out and it wont come out

Great, I shal return my L brackets and bolt from the inside. Great advice, thanks a lot guys.

As far as the amp goes - Any suggestions? I've removed my spare tire, and the amp will get under the floor down there. I was thinking about putting 4 metal brackets around the amp, bolted to the car. That way you can pull the amp out - only way it comes out is it you unbolt the metal brackets. Best option I can think of.

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To give more support in the sub box and under the car, you could use whats called "Bumper Washers". They have a smaller i.d. with a larger than normal o.d. These can be purchased at Canadian Tire, Home Depot, Rona, etc. Also, instead of using regular nuts, use lock nuts. They are a pinched nut, so you can't unbolt them without holding the nut and the bolt at the same time. For screwing down your sub to the box, you can use Tamperproof Torx screws. They have a pin in the centre of the hole and require a torx bit with a hole up the centre of it. They're easy to find. Princess Auto, etc. For securing your amp, if you want to strap it, use a one piece strap from side to side. The straps in the drawing you show can simply be pried back. Again use Tamperproof Torx bolts with lock nuts. You could also use these to bolt the amp itself down through the floor of the trunk. Like Tubeamp said, the razor blades are a severe legal liability issue. Good luck! :smilie_da

do what I did the one time, remove the bottom of the amp, drill a couple holes threw the bottom plate, JB weld bolts to the plate. Then replace bottom of amp and bolt the amp from the inside of your sub box.

Amp won't fit in the subbox lol. Diamond M6's like tiny tiny boxes (14" Height, 14" width, 12" depth- external measurements!)

I ment the outside of the box

Well I don't mean to break your bubble here... but I have heard about one person that build a box inside of this car- so its impossible to get it out since it was too big- the thieve unscrewed the subs and took them,,,, one person had metal brackets surrounding the amps bolted from the other side before he putted the rack in the car- the thieve smashed the amp just cuz he couldn't get it out.... same with head units- they will destroy the gear they cant get out... As for me I'm considering a system of sirens that produce 180db and mounting them everywhere inside the car and they will activate about 10-15 seconds after the break in is detected this way he will be inside... make the bastard def and hopefully getting some serious attention from the environment...

I'm gonna say lazyluke has the right idea here......I've heard of this happening and seen it a couple times.....But one thing about getting smashed, at least the thief wouldn't have any of the gear to sell to someone else.

whatever you go through with DO NOT PUT RAZOR BLADES on your box... You will one day forget, you'll blow a sub, take it somewhere an installer or friend will grab the sub box and you will get the beating of your life.

I slit the nerve in my pinky finger because some dillhole hot glued a razor blade to the back of his head unit and had backstrapping holding the back in. I went to loosen the nut on the backstrap and sliced my finger open clean to the bone.

As one of the above (not gonna mention which one) you are defintely riding a a legal grey area with the razors. That being said if it can be proven that the razor was used as a deterent it would likely be a non issue. You would be hard pressed to be convicted of a crime for providing passive protection to your property. Perhaps a warning sign visible on your equipment (but not visible to bystanders) would suffice.

No bubbles will be broken, this is all speculation, as well - I know its impossible to make an unstealable system, as if a theif wants it bad enough they WILL find a way to get it.

[/QUOTE]Mine will be different then this. Theif won't be able to unscrew them because...

I'll be using TORX screw heads. Not exactly a common screw head, I doubt a theif would carry one with him. As well, after subwoofers are installed, a small metal BB will be inserted in each screw head, and given a good thunk with a hammer. He would have to chisel out each one, then hopfully have a torx screw driver.
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I've heard of that before. But i'd rather have broken gear, and a injured thief (Razor blades) then a harm free thief with my working equipment.


Also, i'm really considering getting a FlashFog system - Sounds like a great investment if the price is right.

uhm.... have you every tried unscrewing a torx screw with a flat head? or are you talking about the H type - with the pin in the center?

razor blades= court for you..... there was a robber in Ontario that cut his leg on "unsecured kitchen knife" and he got 8gs (i think) from the owner of the house that he was robbing,... its not states... ove there you can blow someones head off for walking on your front lawn....

Sure have, tried doing that to my xbox 360 when I went to mod it since I didn't have a torx screwdriver. Didn't work so well, and had to go out and find a TORX screwdriver. If memory serves me correct, it was a torx10 head.

Possibly, but I believe I have better chance of getting hit by a car tomorrow than a thief breaking into my car, getting away, then calling the police about it. *knocks on wood*

Either way, I'd plant a damn bomb in my car if I could afford not having the car. Simply put, i'm sick of the amount of thieves there are - and (without going into detail) our justice system is a joke here. I'll do whatever it takes to get a thief not able to get my equipment, and if that's still not enough - make it as painful as possible.