I dont know how many people out there are running alpine 9835 or similar decks, but upgrading the power wires was the best thing i have ever done. I went with 10 gauge , and that might be overkill but whatever. After the upgrade my subs hit SO much harder and everything sounds so clean even at high volumes. I recommend it to anyone that is running off stock harness, i think it was the best sound quality upgrade i have ever done.

I'm goin with 4 gauge when I put mine in [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Umm, what? Are you seriously saying that your subs hit harder after you ran 10g to the deck?

I guess if I run 4/0 to my deck I should break 190 db :confused:

i never uses stock harness. they sucks cause the wires way to small. i ran mine 8 guages power wire from batt to deck. btw its an alpine deck.

[ June 15, 2005, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: MichaelCRX ]

I'm sorry, it's getting way too thick in here.

lol um yeah....interesting to say the least.

I believe Alpine decks say right on them that you are supposed to use 10 guage wire directly to the battery do they not? And also not to use the factory ground.

And I agree, it does make a difference.

newb, you are supposed to increase the guage of wire for the constant lead on every alpine vdrive deck. most factory constant lead are inadequate for the amount of current draw the alpne v drives are capable of. the increase in voltage to the deck can help with lo level voltage linearity, in other words more current in, more current out. so it is very likley that if the guage wire was inadeqaute, and therefore not the right amount of voltage was getting to the deck, once the correct amount voltage was given, the output voltage would increase, very likley increasing the output from amplifiers getting signal from the cd player. this isnt unique to alpine, eclipse recommends you do somthing similar with their head units, or at least they used to. the wire upgrade is the most significant if the amp in the v drive cd player is being used, if it isnt, the upgrade typically isnt needed. so no smoke an mirrors, the sound difference he noticed is very real and he isnt the first person here to ever post about it

right now i am using my factory harness, but i am not using the internal amplifier.Will it make a difference if i run the wire from the deck(atleast 10awg) to the battery? will i notice a difference or is that just for anyone using the internal amplifier?

if the lights on your cd player dim at all, upgrade the wire

:rolleyes: ... clearly you've never tried it, so it must be wrong...

I actually HAD to upgrade the power wire on my Panasonic HU.

When I was competing there just wasn't enough power going to the deck during burps and it would skip like crazy. Even making the HU do weird things like change from CD mode to the radio, and skip to different tracks.

I upgraded to 8g and the problems went away. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

no, they don't dim at all.So i guess upgrading the power wire won't benefit me at all. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

likley not

WHat size is the constant wire on the Alpine harness?

I was going to mention the Pioneer DEH-P80MP would probably benefit from a wire upgarde. It's rated at 60 wattsx4 (woohoo) and has 12ga constant and ground wires.

constant power and ground is 12awg, we use 10awg becuase it a stocked item in red, 12awg isnt

Hmm this is interesting. My h/u does the dim sometimes. I can notice at night only and I used factory wires. Looks like I may be able to get a tiny bit of gain there! Ah well won't make a difference soon for competin' since I'm gonna be makin a podium :D

:rolleyes: ... clearly you've never tried it, so it must be wrong...

I actually HAD to upgrade the power wire on my Panasonic HU.

When I was competing there just wasn't enough power going to the deck during burps and it would skip like crazy. Even making the HU do weird things like change from CD mode to the radio, and skip to different tracks.

I upgraded to 8g and the problems went away. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Actually I have, and it did precisely nothing. You abusing the crap out of gear is hardly relevant to the install. Yes, a power/ground upgrade on a deck in certain conditions can be advantageous but for the rest of us it's a waste of time.

Also, since the Alpine V-drive decks REQUIRE 10g or whatever, it's hardly an upgrade, now is it?

yea my deck isnt direct to the battery [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] i know it should be an will change this when i put my subs in

constant and ground are probably 14awg at the most...

well i have the vdrive turned off and am only using the preouts, and i noticed a huge difference no lie. i ddi not have any dimming lights and i had planned on the upgrade from the time i purchased the deck but only just found time. And yes The subs do hit much harder, nice and crisp. I believe before i was clipping the preout signal at higher volumes as the stock acura 22 gauge harness could not supply the current required. So to anyone that does not believe my claims, it is cheap enough , like 16 bucks total and 30 minutes of my time, so try it yourself and see. I think it would be benifitial to anyone, if the factore harness is as small as mine was. And if this is a repost i appologise i just wanted to get the word out to those who may not have known.

:rolleyes: ... clearly you've never tried it, so it must be wrong...

I actually HAD to upgrade the power wire on my Panasonic HU.

When I was competing there just wasn't enough power going to the deck during burps and it would skip like crazy. Even making the HU do weird things like change from CD mode to the radio, and skip to different tracks.

I upgraded to 8g and the problems went away. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] [/qb][/QUOTE]Actually I have, and it did precisely nothing. You abusing the crap out of gear is hardly relevant to the install. Yes, a power/ground upgrade on a deck in certain conditions can be advantageous but for the rest of us it's a waste of time.

Also, since the Alpine V-drive decks REQUIRE 10g or whatever, it's hardly an upgrade, now is it? [/QB][/QUOTE]


I think JordyO should be treated as the authority here since he knows wicked amounts about anything audio.... trust me he knows what hes talking about! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Why is debate so looked down upon by certain members of this site? No one ever learns anything if all you do is stroke each others ego.

[ June 16, 2005, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Newb ]

Why is debate so looked down upon by certain members of this site? No one ever learns anything if all you do is stroke each others ego. </font>[/QUOTE]But there is a deffinate line between debate and being a dick.