are components really needed?
10-17-2009, 10:43 PM
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are components really needed?
hey all
first off I want everyone to know that I am old school I am used to having to drop 5 to 6k to get a good sounding system but I know that things have changed a lot.
my question is are component systems still needed to get good sound. I know it might be a dumb question but I am not sure if the new 2 or 3 way speakers can keep up.
Any thoughts?
first off I want everyone to know that I am old school I am used to having to drop 5 to 6k to get a good sounding system but I know that things have changed a lot.
my question is are component systems still needed to get good sound. I know it might be a dumb question but I am not sure if the new 2 or 3 way speakers can keep up.
Any thoughts?
10-17-2009, 11:53 PM
#2
3 ways to me are the best. Others may argue. Bad placement and installation methods are usually what kills a great sounding speaker.
3 ways require more processing(xovers) and amplifiers but in the end the outcome is excellent - as long as the install and placement methods are followed properly.
3 ways require more processing(xovers) and amplifiers but in the end the outcome is excellent - as long as the install and placement methods are followed properly.
10-18-2009, 12:17 AM
#3
A good coax most definitely can outperform a crappy component, especially if the install is not up to par as well. In my 22 years of hands on install and sales of car audio, there has been change after change after change in car audio. There are far more choices out there, mostly in the "me too" category or the "I can sell it cheaper than you can category". The good high end equipment is still available but has seen far fewer entrants into this area. What used to be the "norm" for me 22 years back is now the exception.
There is a upscale category of speakers called pointsource now, a category that puts the close tonal response of a component into a coax configuration. A real tweeter with a real woofer and a crossover, no more cap on the tweeter and leave the rest to the woofer in this category. These are some of my favorite speakers for people that do not want to do the custom install of components yet are after respectable sound that a coax cannot deliver.
A good solid do it right kind of system though, if you have the budget for it and the patience to install it correctly is most often going to be the best way to go. Lots of options to choose from, it all starts with a system goal and budget. Know what it is you are expecting and be prepared to do it in steps if you must. Do it once and do it right is what is important, if you do, it will lead to a highly predictable outcome for your investment.
<edit> what you talkin' bout Willis.
There is a upscale category of speakers called pointsource now, a category that puts the close tonal response of a component into a coax configuration. A real tweeter with a real woofer and a crossover, no more cap on the tweeter and leave the rest to the woofer in this category. These are some of my favorite speakers for people that do not want to do the custom install of components yet are after respectable sound that a coax cannot deliver.
A good solid do it right kind of system though, if you have the budget for it and the patience to install it correctly is most often going to be the best way to go. Lots of options to choose from, it all starts with a system goal and budget. Know what it is you are expecting and be prepared to do it in steps if you must. Do it once and do it right is what is important, if you do, it will lead to a highly predictable outcome for your investment.
<edit> what you talkin' bout Willis.
Last edited by MR2NR; 10-18-2009 at 12:33 AM.
10-18-2009, 12:26 AM
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A good coax most definitely can outperform a crappy component, especially if the install is not up to par as well. In my 22 years of hands on install and sales of car audio, there has been change after change after change in car audio. There are far more choices out there, mostly in the "me too" category or the "I can sell it cheaper than you can category". The good high end equipment is still available but has seen far fewer entrants into this area. What used to be the "norm" for me 22 years back is now the exception.
There is a upscale category of speakers called pointsource now, a category that puts the close tonal response of a component into a coax configuration. A real tweeter with a real woofer and a crossover, no more cap on the tweeter and leave the rest to the woofer in this category. These are some of my favorite speakers for people that do not want to do the custom install of components yet are after respectable sound that a coax cannot deliver.
A good solid do it right kind of system though, if you have the budget for it, the patience to install it correctly is most often going to be the best way to go. Lots of options to choose from all starts with a system goal and budge. Know what it is you are expecting and be prepared to do it in steps if you must. Do it once and do it right is what is important, if you do, it will lead to a highly predictable outcome for your investment.
There is a upscale category of speakers called pointsource now, a category that puts the close tonal response of a component into a coax configuration. A real tweeter with a real woofer and a crossover, no more cap on the tweeter and leave the rest to the woofer in this category. These are some of my favorite speakers for people that do not want to do the custom install of components yet are after respectable sound that a coax cannot deliver.
A good solid do it right kind of system though, if you have the budget for it, the patience to install it correctly is most often going to be the best way to go. Lots of options to choose from all starts with a system goal and budge. Know what it is you are expecting and be prepared to do it in steps if you must. Do it once and do it right is what is important, if you do, it will lead to a highly predictable outcome for your investment.
10-18-2009, 09:03 AM
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I am going old school for my system. I managed to find some PG titanium subs and amps but I could not find the speakers or components to go with it so I am just thinking that I might get a couple pair of upscale speakers for the doors and the rear deck
10-18-2009, 09:16 AM
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Unless your going with video I wouldn't waste money on rears, spend the extra on a solid front stage.... and high end comp. coax??? WTF? While they are a good alternative, there are better ideas. If you want something close to your original idea of the TI 951 elite, check out Hybrid Audio. I believe that avidedtr has a nice lil set FS (click) right now. Otherwise maybe check out they're web site (click).
good luck man. Be sure to post some pics when the goodies start arriving. 
Especially them TI's
good luck man. Be sure to post some pics when the goodies start arriving. Especially them TI's
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10-18-2009, 09:18 AM
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i still want back speakers I have to think about the little one in the back seat that loves music lol.
if I could find something close to the TI's I would prob pick it up but if not then I will prob not bother with components if I can get good sound with them
if I could find something close to the TI's I would prob pick it up but if not then I will prob not bother with components if I can get good sound with them
10-18-2009, 09:34 AM
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It's ultimately up to you man, but I think you'll be surprised what good speakers with proper placement & some power will yield.
Oh, and I've heard both the Ti 951's and Hybrid Audio. They are easily as accurate & natural sounding.... I'd have to go with Hybrid though if I was to spend that kind of money. You do know that the Ti's MSRP was $1250 right? You can get a REALLY NICE set of A LOT of different brands for that. All though the thought of having a complete old-school Ti setup would be nice too. lol
