Hey all,
Im new, not to car audio, but to this forum. I really like the setup here mainly because its canadian and the people that you deal with are canadian, sell in cdn funds and so on! Anyway, to my question!
I was wondering which sub you think is the best between jl 12w7, re xxx, mtx 9500, or kicker L7?
obviously assume that the subs have proper amount of power and also comment on cost value! I ask this because I find that most car audio shops never tend to have the top of the line of any product in stock so you can never really listen to their highend stuff until you already committe to buy it! I have an mtx 9500 and I think it hits really hard and crisp i was able to hit a spl of 148(a 144 on new mic)dbs with a single "12 and only 568 watts, but i have not had the chance to hear any other highend subs! So i would like to know what everyone has to say on the matter and if there is a sub that you think should be on this list comment on it.
thanks
David [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

I've heard all of the above with the exception to the W7. I liked the XXX myself. The L7 really does need a box the size of a coffin, the mtx is nice, yes, but the XXX is better (IMHO).
I haven't heard the W7, but I do know that the specs aren't as good as the 9500 so I suspect the 9500 outperforms it. Also, the mounting method on the W7 is just unusual (I give JL credit for trying something new though).
Thats my $0.02

I would think that in the proper application it would be hard to be disappointed with any of those subs.

Where can u get a re xxx, I had never heard of this sub until I read some american forums! I when to there site, the spec sheet says it can take 1600 watts rms, if this is true how much is this sub?

David

I've heard the XXX as a 15", and it's amazing, with 800 RMS or so, it just rocks. The XXX is slightly cheaper than the W7, contact NorthernSPL on this forum, he is the canadian distributor. his email is shockingspl@yahoo.com

I'd throw the IDmax in there as well, it's a killer sub and will hang with those you mentioned.

[ June 07, 2005, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: Sassmaster ]

on the topic of the XXX's, have you guys seen the Chev Silverado on RealmOfExcursion??? has like 6 XXX's in the back with all plexi and neon with a blowthru into the cab? was installed by Superior Sound. kinda off topic, kinda not. but that install and the flex factor of that setup makes me want some XXX's REAL BAD.. and an install by these guys! seen some of their other work as well, on this forum. UNBELIEVABLE. all i can say about that.

(correction) actually 8 RE XXX's powered by 8 Planet audio 1200.1's..

Welcome to the forum! I know this may be off topic, but can I listen to your 9500? I've heard many great things about it, but never had a chance to actually hear it!

now is your system for spl or spl/music??? big difference to me in the subs I choose....

If you are into SPL I would suggest the following subs
DD9900
DD9500
RE SX
American Bass
Treo
Kicker L7's just to name afew!

they all perform more less the same

i'll add myself to Chinaman's position... and at the same time you can take a listen to my 13W7 to see if you like it.
i think there is a considerable difference in SQ between the W7 and the L7 in optimal enclosures. as far as the other subs, nothing to write home about.
you said it yourself, your sub hits hard and is crisp... why change a good thing?!? i think to you the grass may simply look greener on the other side.

I think your probably right I am known for wanting what I cant have! It just think Canadian car audio sellers make it hard for consumer to listen to top end stuff due to its high price I guess! but I'd love to hear your 13w7 in action if you would like to hookup and let our subs loose! and chinaman if you want to hear my sub just message me and will hookup! by the way I noticed the tube amps on your page, what are they powering?
In terms of what I like sq or spl, I want both! lol! unfortunately I want something that sounds great and when turned up makes my eye lashes beat to the bass!!!

David

[ June 07, 2005, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: dchow ]

Check out the ss xxx 15.

Build yourself a high performance strip only drag car, and then say you want to be able to drive it on the street! The cam will be so lumpy that you'll have to put it up to 4000 RPM at every light, pop the clutch and squeal away...if you don't drive it like that, it'll stall out, foul the plugs with all the unburned gas your puoring into it, and drive like kaka! High performance stereo is the same way,,,,you can have SPL, or SQ, but not both unless you pay ten times the price or more to beef up your SQ system to put out the SPL as well..you can't have it both for the price of one.
An SPL system can never be "beefed up" to be an SQ machine...they're not built for it. SQ systems, by design, trade off the SPL component for SQ.

You want low bass extension, and SPL? put a whack of subs in your van or a blow thru pickup.....power it with an alternator or three, have a dozen batteries, beef up the suspension to handle the extra 2 or 3 tons of box, batteries, amps ect.
Oh yeah...it's been done!
You want a good sounding sub? or you want a sub that sounds good? Loud, low, or clear...those are your choices...where are your priorities, and how much of each are you willing to sacrifice to not spend $500,000 for a sydtem that "does it all"?

Each of those subs has characteristics that weigh the balance of loud, low, and clear against price, and each do an awesome job....different, but all good for their intended design.
Up to you to decide which one suits your needs...not "our" needs or opinions....just yours.
It's not so much a matter of which one is best....more a decision on which one lacks the loud, low, or clear, you're willing to put up with in order to satisfy your budget.
More important is who is going to design and build this system for you? The box is way more important than the parts that go into it, and subs are just "parts on the counter" until they've been properly installed.

Just like that drag engine....you can go out and by an 850 double pumper, high rise intake, High lift, long duration cam, and big headers for your engine, but tune it all you want....it's gonna run like dog doo, til you get it wound up to over 6 grand on the tach....then it'll be like NOS, IF you built the motor to stand the revs...otherwise it'll blow your hood to shreds. Let your installer pick the parts he knows how to use to satisfy "your" needs, or try them all yourself, til you learn what he knows, and then you can design your own. If he can't do a better job than you....get a new mechanic....or installer!

Same thinga go for audio....you want to win at the dB drags, and run on the street? Buy two cars...it's cheaper and better in the long run.

[ June 08, 2005, 02:13 AM: Message edited by: Car Trek ]

wow now THAT ^^^ was a long post. can u write that in 2 sentances?

i like jensen subs.

dual 16 ohm woofers [img]smile.gif[/img]

Wow, that was long!
I think you misunderstand what my post originally was for! I bought my system already and I do really enjoy its level of sq and spl! That being said, I just wanted to hear peoples opinion who have listen to other comparable subs in whatever enclosure, with enough power to run the sub properly to see where they compare mtx with the others I menchand. Unfortunately I was not able to lisen to anyother highend sub. So like i said i just wanted to hear the opinion of those who have listend to all of the subs because they are qualified to compare them!

David

There would not be much difference between them. You chose a good sub. It sounds like you are having buyers remorse since you didn't get to hear the other models. I wouldn't worry about them.

Sorry guys...the Lamble Ramble and too many Buds [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]

Kaption SPL series I would put up against any of those subs anyday. Put them in tha proper vented enclosure and wow,that's all I have to say.