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Old 07-05-2009, 01:43 PM
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Eclipse 12" SW8200 vs. 12W6v2- repeat

HI. Ok i know there was an exact thread like that, but the answer wasn't really there... so I want to ask again, which one is better? I have the exact same conditions as the original post. 1.2cuft sealed I have (I can built any box tho so that's not a problem). I am going to use 500/1 to power it. I want to get SQ but also a SPL on decent level- from about 60HZ to the lowest possible. The problem with Eclipse is I cant find it anywhere.... any source you guys are familiar with?
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Old 07-05-2009, 03:22 PM
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The Eclipse is an amazing sub, quite happy with the subs they offer. I special order thes subs as required.
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W6 cause its made by JL Audio and they make the best subs
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Old 07-05-2009, 04:15 PM
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Not sure about the Eclipse as I've never heard one but I've got 3 12W6v2's and love them. The 500/1 is perfect for one and they get good and low. The subs Fs is 25hz and the 1.2 cu sealed you have is close enough to perfect.

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Ok MR2NR where do you get them preordered from?? I just read yesterday about the amazing xmax of eclipse (1.5") which I thought would be great... I can always get the w6 since you can get them anywhere( remener guys I'm just gonna have 1 sub not 3 LOL ) but the eclipse it's not as easy..
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Old 07-05-2009, 09:48 PM
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An online store sonic electronics has them.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10412_Eclipse+SW8200.html

Fantastic driver. It was designed by the TC sounds engineers and remains virtually distortion free all the way to xmax. For the price, it honestly can't be touched. It measures toe to toe with the w7 only coming up slightly short in SPL in most applications. It works well in sealed applications but 1.2cu will definitely limit extension some. Would work fine though for most mobile applications. I use these drivers in some Home Theater applications and 3cuft sealed with pro-audio amps and xovers and get in room response of 13hz.
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Nevermind, I guess they are out again. Keep checking, thats happened before..

this place seems to have em...


http://www.shopaudiovideo.com/eclsw8200.html
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Originally Posted by adwilk View Post
An online store sonic electronics has them.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_10412_Eclipse+SW8200.html

Fantastic driver. It was designed by the TC sounds engineers and remains virtually distortion free all the way to xmax. For the price, it honestly can't be touched. It measures toe to toe with the w7 only coming up slightly short in SPL in most applications. It works well in sealed applications but 1.2cu will definitely limit extension some. Would work fine though for most mobile applications. I use these drivers in some Home Theater applications and 3cuft sealed with pro-audio amps and xovers and get in room response of 13hz.
Again like I said I can built a box for it, what is the optimum sealed for it? I thought 1.2 is enough since max sealed was 1.5 i think.... ported wont come in play i guess since they are not recommended.....
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Again like I said I can built a box for it, what is the optimum sealed for it? I thought 1.2 is enough since max sealed was 1.5 i think.... ported wont come in play i guess since they are not recommended.....
Yes, you need to go sealed. A lot depends on the extension you're looking for. Like I said, I use 3ft^3 boxes but they have heavy fill. They model best around 7ft^3. I know thats unreasonable in a car, but so is 14hz for the most part. I'd be looking at the biggest box you can fit, its a very high Qts sub. Fortunately, the TC engineering will allow it to perform VERY well in smaller than ideal applications. I you can get to 2ft, you'll only be down about 4db at 20hz. Fill the box with what seems like entirely too much fill. Here are the T/S parameters as measured with tester

--- mechanical ---
Fs 22.792E+00 Hz Free air resonance
Qms 4.262E+00 Q mechanical
Vas 81.385E-03 m^3 Suspension compliance
Cms 223.135E-06 m/N 1/(suspension stiffness)
Mms 218.523E-03 kg Moving mass
Rms 7.343E+00 kg/s Mechanical resistance
Xmax ** 0.000E+00 m Maximum acoustic linear motion
Xmech** 0.000E+00 m Mechanical displacement
Dia 254.000E-03 m Piston diameter
Sd 50.671E-03 m^2 Piston area
Vd ** 0.000E+00 m^3 Displacement volume
--- electrical ---
Qes 770.670E-03 Q electrical
Re 2.855E+00 ohms Voice coil DC resistance
Le 1.062E-03 Henries Inductance @1 kHz
Z 8.971E+00 ohms Impedance @1 kHz
BL 10.766E+00 Tm Motor force - Newtons/Amp
Pe ** 0.000E+00 W Max Electrical Power
--- electro-mechanical ---
Qts 652.644E-03 Q total
no 117.488E-03 % 1/2-space ref efficiency @ 1m/1W
1-W SPL 82.718E+00 dB sensitivity at 1m on-axis
2.83V SPL 87.193E+00 dB sensitivity at 1m on-axis
--- motor constants ---
Krm 13.063E-03 ohms constant resistive motor impedance
Erm 659.072E-03 exponent resistive motor impedance
Kxm 16.241E-03 Henries constant reactive motor impedance
Exm 707.456E-03 exponent reactive motor impedance
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Originally Posted by adwilk View Post
Yes, you need to go sealed. A lot depends on the extension you're looking for. Like I said, I use 3ft^3 boxes but they have heavy fill. They model best around 7ft^3. I know thats unreasonable in a car, but so is 14hz for the most part. I'd be looking at the biggest box you can fit, its a very high Qts sub. ...
Oh wow, I never would of thought that sealed can get that big for single 12". I will try to fit 3cuft, but i still want to have an extra battery in the car lol... Thanx adwilk.... Now i just have to hunt down the driver.... MR2NR told me there is a new SW8210 model but the price is about 2 times of the SW8200 (as far as I am looking on the internet websites).... is it really worth getting the new model? Anybody familiar with it?
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