alphadawg

Dukk you're the fittest of the bunch! Anyway, totally agree with you dukk, too much bs being flaunted as fact in the electronics world. I guess nothing's new about that, i've been hearing that since the early 70's, luckily for me i started doing my own research and listening tests to avoid blowing good money on nonsense.

Sasha

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I am with you, Julian. I just dont know why people want to fight over this subject still. I understand that this is a place of diverse opinions, but when you start putting "barf" emoticons, etc, that does not relay neutrality, and calling certain things a myth that still hasnt been proven. What I keep hearing again and again is people on tight budgets clinging to this all amps sound the same business. By same reasoning all decks sound the same, etc. If that were true, Dual decks are better than Mc, cause they are cheaper, thus making it a much better piece, so why waste money on non-sense.

avidedtr

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Did some tests tonight with my Parasound separates vs a Zapco DC Ref with my Parasound Pre amp.

I'm not going to bore everyone with the details on what is what.

I ask my wife to listen to two tracks on my home system and she went back to here facebook as I changed amps. I put the zapco (w/cascade psu) in the mix with the same speakers, cables, preamp.

Her thought were I'm not sure what it's called but I like this sound better.

My wife has no interest in this and if she can tell - I don't see why u can't DUKK.

jstoner22

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i've had many amps, but i have never listened to multiple amps without changing anything else in the setup.
so you guys have piqued my interest, next chance i get i am gonna see.

not changing my pdx amps though, i've chosen them for many other reasons.


...i don't think you can compare the sound of a head unit to an amp though. how a headunit picks up and reads data and sends a preout is completely different in my mind than amplification of a signal. thats just me though.

420guy

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I just switched out amps and heard a huge difference between the 2, and my ears aren't as finely tuned as Julian's. I went from a Memphis Belle running bridged on my fronts to a Memphis 16-MC3004 running the same. Now from what I know they both use the same board for the 4ch section. The highs are cleaner and clearer, and midbass seems a little better as well. Nothing else was changed but the amp.
Nick

Sasha

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How far fetched is it, really? If one head unit does what you describe better, why can't an amp do a better job amplifying and keeping truest sound, while having better grip on those speakers, and many other aspects...?

Denonite

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...problem is; no one can pick the amp in a controlled test. I think cd players they have, though even that was hard, speakers were easy, but amplifiers and cables...no. Unless you think that little resistor is worth 3x the price of the amp just to change it's audio signature is worth it? Amplifiers are supposed to be transparent, so any modification of the waveform is distortion (whether good sounding or not). Does that make some amps sound differently, sure does if they incorporate eq circuits. The real question is; what are you paying for then? An engineer's idea of what good sound sounds like (his eq circuit) or fidelity (transparent electronics that reproduce the source material accurately). When you have a properly level matched test (removes the effects of sound processing) between $20,000 amps vs. a $100.00 amp and golden ears (audiophiles who claim they can hear better than most others) can't pick which one is playing with their choice of music and speakers...that's something to think about.

RomanticMoments

Don't attack me. There is no point, which is exactly what I'm sarcastically implying. This thread has turned into a processor/amp/I'm-right-you're-wrong war. If that's where it's going to go, move and rename the thread. What does anything about processors and amps have to do with a McIntosh MX406??!??!? And I don't want to hear examples of how they are, because I could start talking about the quality of RCA's and start thatwar. Just because they connect to the deck doesn't mean we need to argue about other components. We're way off track here, hence why I made the sticker comment.... Sorry that went over your head

jstoner22

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man are we suckers as consumers then, if this really is the case then alot of us really need to reevaluate why we buy the amps that we do.
is there any studies that can actually be shown on this either way?
or is it all just talk from both points of view?
that would resolve the issue alot quicker in my mind anyways.

.....and everyone tone it down a little, why get hostile over online opinions?

RomanticMoments

The reality is that sound is very fragile when being reproduced. The slightest imperfection in materials can "colour" the sound, let alone if the system introduces "noise". When you consider all of the things going on inside a car, plus inside the electronic devices you have interconnected, there are alot of opportunities to alter the sound. A deck, processor, amp, crossovers, etc. can all alter the sound. The biggest altering factor to sound is the area it's being reproduced in.

The deck needs to be able to produce a clean signal to start with. It is the heart of the system, not an amp or processor. The ONLY fuction of a processor in a PROPERLY installed system is to compensate for peaks and valleys in the frequency range created by the vehicle itself. This can be time correction, or simple adjustments to specific frequencies that aren't accurately being percieved. An amps function is as simple as it's name.... To amplify the sound, aka make it LOUD! All of the components can alter the sound. Rant over. Peace