Looking In Buying The Best Sub Woofer Ever: Whats The BEst Help
 

hi im running type R 2 12" right now looking to upgrade HUGE!!!


ive been told these 3 are the best

1. Jl W7
2. kicker solo baric square subs
3. alpine type X

whats your opinion im looking in getting 2-4 12 inch subwoofers



i plan on buying a kicker 2500,1 amp i hear they hit the best. thank for helping me out. jonny

Why not MTX go 4 8500's or 9500's you'll be more then happy.

MTX jackhammer

or try the new RE XXX

where can i find those subs if there a link you can derect me to thx.

focal 21wx focal 46kx4
what are you using it for SQ/spl ?

Funky Pups

You have so many options to choose from that you will not know what to do with them. Many people may have their opinions on what is best based on their use or their friends use. Other people who have been around will have a far larger base from which to make their recommendations from. Before anyone can recommend something to you, you need to determine what your goals are. Make a game plan and stick to it. Throw the amp out the window at this point in time. Your choice of sub(s) will help to determine what amp you need for the application. The choice of sub also needs to fit the requirements of the vehicle and the box that needs to be built for them. Are you after something that is just stupid loud or are you after something that you can actually listen to that will as a side note, play to a highly respectable output level. While a "loud" system is kinda neat and you can be the loudest around, you will never recover damaged hearing and you will never hear the music as it was meant to be listened to.

A SQ (sound quality) based system is one that is radically different in design as compared to a SPL (sound pressure level) based system. What kind of system based on that are you after. Next we need to know what the vehicle is that these subs are going to call home. Is there a system in there that will be used or is it being replaced? Lots of questions to be asked in order to build you a highly predictable outcome rather than buying something because you heard it was "the best" and then be disappointed with the results.

What about the 18" SoloX. Holy lord does that thing look impressive. I have never listened to any SoloX but I am guessing they would be stupid loud.

Ya Im with MR2NR here on this one. You mention the best and then three brands and there are so many companies that make a sub just as good and if not better then the ones you have mentioned for a fraction of the price. Im not saying they are not good just the "best" is not measured by a name or a price. It should be the best that suits your needs and wants.

okay well i was gonna go threw a local dealer and they sell jl audio and alpine im running typr r right now there not to bad but i wanna go louder and i keep hear good things about jl audio w7's so i was gonna give it a shot ....then i was reading jl w7's are only 750 rms watts each and type x's are 1000 rms each but then again if there was a more powerful sub i might go that route hope this helps you to figure what i might wanan do thx.

Well like MR2NR mentioned options are endless, we can get 12" subs that handle 5000+ Watts if need be. You have to know what direction your aiming. Lets get the basic questions answered.

Do I want SPL / SQ or a combination of both?

And do I want to compete with this system and if so what are my expectations?

What is my budget and am I willing to exceed my budget to achive my goal?

How much space am I willing to give up?

Then from here we can throw you a few suggestions.

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none of those subs will be super loud. The W7s are alright, SoloXs are pretty good, I don't know about the Alpines however if you want to be really loud I would go with a sub that has been proven to be very loud. I don't know how much money you are out to spend however the Kicker L7 is actually just as loud as the soloX is with low power and you can get alot more of them for the money. Also if you want a speaker that is extremely loud and more durable I would look at buying some Digital Designs woofers. Many people who competes in SPL swear by them, they work awesome with low or high power and in almost any box you put them in, and they are almost bulletproof. Sure they aren't as gimmicky as the W7 or the SoloX and your friends wont know what the heck they are but they will be very loud. If you want something people will recognise then I think the L7s will be the best bet for loudness as you will be able to get far more for your money. As for amps that Kicker amp is descent however if you are looking for something better you may consider a Hifonics Collossus, Hifonics Goliath, Digital Designs Z1, American Bass 400.1, or many many other amps. There are ALOT of amps comparable to that kicker amp at a fraction the cost and there are at least a few that will be far better as listed above and you can probobly get most of them for around the same price as the kicker.

there are all kinds of good subs out there
I have 2 Solo X 12's which I am running one on 300 just for laughs and man that thing is stupidly loud 135 spl in my truck. But solo's take a lot of room in a car. I have also 2 RE 15 HC's which I am selling pm me for a price on them. but everyone has an opinion on stuff go listen to stuff and see what you like.

Now the super beetle is nearing completion. It is a mix of old school stuff with new. 2 12" solo x's, 2 Phoenix Gold Cyclones, 2 sets of of Phoenix Gold Zero point fronts, and for the amps still desciding on those. And some alpine deck just not 100% sure on which one. But oh well I will get some pic up sometime

actually i do have a quick question ive alway hated pioneer but i was looking at there new like of subs the pioneer premier or somthign like that and its rated at 3000 rms watage what are you thoughts and would a rockford fosgate 3000.1 be a good crystal clear amp

I have seen those pioneer subs your talking about, they look pretty serious, never heard one though but at 3000w rms you would imagine that they are loud

I hear the MTX RFL is loud too and you can rebuild it after you blow it up

thats just sick ....... now i need to decide on watt amp to buy to run that.

RFL isnt meant for a daily driver though, from what ive heard from everyone that has heard one, is it sounds like , and its only meant for SPL comps, but if thats what you wanted it for?

you would be better off with that premier IMO

MA AUDIO EHO's Baby!! www.maaudio.com

well nevermind then i want somthing i use everyday sound sounds good with good sound and bass . do you guys have links to the good ones.

i would buy the L7 over most of the subs out there , but if u want SQ i would go for a sub in a small box.

Well ok if you want to run 2500 wrms you can run 4 x Orion HP12D4 which are a great sounding and a very capable SPL driver. Or 4 of the new Clarion PXW12 in dual 4 or dual 2 ohm setup. Both options handle 500Wrms each so to supply them with 625wrms would be fine. Here is the two links:

Orion
http://www.smartass.bz/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_20/products_id/277

Clarion
http://www.smartass.bz/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_20&sort=2a&filter_id=9

Now everyone likes what they sell or grew up on but these are about the best sounding drivers I have heard and carry. Next to the Max Caliber now if I can still get stock they sound amazing and handle way more power then rated for. Other then that the powerbass L12D that would be my next choice. But Im sure you will get tons of suggestions. In the end it usually breaks down to what you can afford and what your personal preference is. eg looks, price, size and so on. Hope this helps.

PS if you are only wanting to goto two 12" subs while still using 2000-2500Wrms check these out.

Clarion SSW1200
http://www.smartass.bz/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2_20/products_id/1879

Cheers

if i may step back and mention this:

why so much focus on a subwoofer? in my opinion, that *should* be the least of your concerns. the difference between a good sub stage and bad sub stage is much less than the difference between a good front stage and a bad front stage. focus on the areas that will be most noticed.

aside from that, the JL Audio W6V2 and the Image Dynamics IDQ10's are fantastic subs that i just recently had the chance to listen to while in Vegas. they are of that rare breed where it is not simply a feeling or being loud, but they have a sense of musicality and tonal accuracy as well.

:cheeky4: XXX:cheeky4:

That is a awsome sub.....what do they retail for now?

I think there around $700.00us for the 12"

MSRP for the 12" XXX is $1600US. i imagine MSRP is higher here, even after we consider the dollar, but of course you wouldn't be paying MSRP if you buy from a dealer.

The new XXX is over $1000 in the US, I would be scared to see what it retails for in Canada. Based on the performance of the old XXX though, it will be worth the price. Never heard the new one personally, but based on the performance of the old one, I think the new one might be the ultimate daily driving SPL/SQ sub not to mention it looks awesome.
If you want a little more on the SPL side, but will still work for daily:
DD9500/9900 or if you can afford it, DD99Z series
Atomic APX or APXX
RE MT (mine didn't sound too great for daily, but not as bad as some)
Team RF subs
Cactus Sounds (not sure on model #s)
T3 TSS/TSNS

The subs listed above will (in most cases) not sound as good as the W7/typeX but they will be louder for sure and will take more power.

as i had mentioned, MSRP in the US is $1600. but most people are getting them from dealers in the $600-$850 range.

I just got the JL w6v2 and must say I'm very happy with the SQ level on it, for only running off of a 250/1 amp it plays very well. Although I'm very curious as to what doubling the sub system would do, amp/sub.

My 2 cents - any sub is only as good as the enclosure it's in.
You could have the "best" sub in the world, but if it's in a poorly built box, or the wrong size, then it ain't gonna perform.

very true

I agree with Smartass as for the clarions, theyre loud, sound good and arent overly expensive
I got a PXW series 15 from last year its nice and loud and it only has 320wRMS going to it right now
Ive heard some of the 12s from this year and they seem to be nice subs too

Make the proper choice
 

You should go out and buy something that nobody has really ever heard other than burped at a local SPL comp.. (internet start up company!)

The brand must be something that the mainstream people dont really know or it wont be that good and you wont get the respect you deserve.

Brands like : RE, Adire, Atomic, are a great starting point, but those brands will soon loose there luster in the SPL world so make sure you keep on top of things or you might end up like all those people who bought Beyond Audio.( apparantly not good anymore).

Take for instance shitty companies like RF and MTX. They made OK woofers back in the day but it has taken other cool start up companies to buy there old baskets and use similar design of 10yr ago to finally bring respect to those woofers.

Example: and Old MTX woofer from say 97ish if you were to ask peoples opinions, they would say it sucks, but a startup company who uses essentially the same parts and old design now makes it the coolest woofer around.... ( Instant respect from people )

Easy as Pie!

I sure enjoyed reading that last post!

Ya like these bad boys !!!

http://www.chronicaudio.com/Speakers.html

I'd go with the W7. Got one myself and love it. I've tried MTX 9500 before and wasn't very happy with them.

your enclosier affects the sub allot, make sure its good too

I'm all about the Infinity and Alpine equipment!!!

andrew