in taking redzones advice i found what i thought to be the ideal level of loudness for me:P...which was a 10" alpine type-x in a 2.7cu ft ported box running of a pg 1200.1amp @ 2ohms...sounded awesome, better than some 2 12s with 1000+watt setups ive heard....so i think im gonna try and find a deal on a type-x somewhere...because having a small sub that hits like that is pretty awesome imo...that being said i wont be getting the system for at least a month now due to some minor financial changes...so im still open to suggestions