Question about subsonic filters - Kicker
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In their operating manuel, Kicker suggests using a subsonic filter in the interest of producing the most output from their subs. They go so far as to suggest that their s12l7 will operate at 750 watts rms in a ported enclosure with a subsonic filter and only at 400 watts rms in the same enclosure without the filter. Is this just a marketing ploy or is it really valid? Are these statistics also applicable to sealed enclosures? My deck only puts out frequencies from 20 - 20k Hz, if it doesn't play anything below 20 Hz then anything below 20 Hz shouldn't go to the sub right?
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Dale
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in a ported box there is not much cone control below the tuning frequency of the box .......
so if you feed a box tuned to 30hz a 20hz signal it will usually flap around widly and loose it cause it has very little power handling below tuning
so if you put the l7 in a box ported to 30hz then you'd want a subsonic filter set just slightly below 30hz ........
I know your thinking but what about that low bass, most music has no bass that low anyways ........
I have the subsonic filter on my rubi 702 set to 30hz and I can turn it on and off and notice no change in music .......
if you go to soundstream's old website and download a manual for their amps it explains how the "hawkins bass control" works and how much excursion is wasted on subsonic frequencies [img]smile.gif[/img]
so if you feed a box tuned to 30hz a 20hz signal it will usually flap around widly and loose it cause it has very little power handling below tuning
so if you put the l7 in a box ported to 30hz then you'd want a subsonic filter set just slightly below 30hz ........
I know your thinking but what about that low bass, most music has no bass that low anyways ........
I have the subsonic filter on my rubi 702 set to 30hz and I can turn it on and off and notice no change in music .......
if you go to soundstream's old website and download a manual for their amps it explains how the "hawkins bass control" works and how much excursion is wasted on subsonic frequencies [img]smile.gif[/img]
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It is a good idea to use a subsonic on any woofer system. It saves amp power for frequencies you hear and makes life a little easier on the woofer.
They are not a necessity but if you have the option of picking one up or a piece of gear with a SSF in it then I would.
They are not a necessity but if you have the option of picking one up or a piece of gear with a SSF in it then I would.
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Everyone here is correct. ported boxes dont have the back pressure the same way a sealed box does. When the ub passes below its tuning frequency things get a little uncontollable. Lower frequencies around 20 hz can cause havoc in a ported box so we recommend that you filter them out. Depending on the sub, the type of box and your listen tastes/levels a subsonic filter can be a handy thing to have. why have the amp waste energy trying to play what you cant hear or what may damage your sub.
Originally posted by dcmbeasst:
Lower frequencies around 20 hz can cause havoc in a ported box so we recommend that you filter them out.
Lower frequencies around 20 hz can cause havoc in a ported box so we recommend that you filter them out.
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that's a 20hz tone to a 12" Inhuman, box is tuned to around 40 hz.. 3,000 watts
don't worry the sub was already messed.. and it's time for a recone..
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Good God. So is it fair for me to assume that my L7 in a sealed enclosure will be able to handle around 1000 watts without a subsonic filter (even though a filter is preferable)? I'm also assuming that sealed enclosures are not 'tuned' to any frequency...
i have some new s10l7s, both spiders are destroyed 
. even though i have them in small sealed boxes.follow kicker recommendations for frequency cutoff, and power handling,especially a system for daily use."1000+ rms is for specific tone use only, regular music or sweeps will result in a long wait for a warranty return" 
i still luv my solobarics [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
[ June 09, 2003, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: Loud Brown Kicker Colt ]
. even though i have them in small sealed boxes.follow kicker recommendations for frequency cutoff, and power handling,especially a system for daily use."1000+ rms is for specific tone use only, regular music or sweeps will result in a long wait for a warranty return" i still luv my solobarics [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img][ June 09, 2003, 02:47 AM: Message edited by: Loud Brown Kicker Colt ]
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I honestly perfer sealed boxes. Make them to almost the max specs for the sub and they sound killer. I have 2 friends with the same cars and the same subs and amp lol and one has an alpine type R (12") in a ported box and the other has a type R in a sealed box and I really perfered the sealed over the ported. If you like low bass then I would suggest making the box quite large(if you choose sealed). I had 2 10" L5's (that got jacked) and at first they were in a 1.5 cubic foot box and it sounded alright and then i made a 2.1 cubic foot box and it sounded killer. If you like a nice smooth bass with some quick bass response then I perfer sealed. thats just my 2 cents
