On future shop's web site there is a pioneer woofer TS-W29C. What is this woofer? I went to Pioneer's web-site and the woofer was not there? I also search the net for the thiele small stuff and I couldn't find it anywhere! Anyway, I am comparing it with the TS-W255C and I want to now the differences between the two. So, if you know of the product, could you please post or send me the Thiele small parameters (QTS, QMS, QES, VAS, FS in particular if not all of them). Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]

You don't want it, stick with the 255.

^ lol - call a spade a spade...

I'd rather have the Road Thunder.... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

DWVW, Okay . . . why?

Dukk - You'd pick road thunder over the w29c or you'd pick the road thunder over either pioneer?

My situation:

1.22^3 box. I would like to port it, likely bringing the box volume down to 1 cube. It is a home theatre set up (I bought the SUB-100 from Solen). I like the box and don't want to build a new one - good size that fits well into my room with decor size etc.

But my old Cerwin Vega sounds weak in that box, and I want something that will hit good and low in that box, something that will do justice to freigt-trains, thunder etc. But I also want to keep it around $100. I don't need much power handling, that sub amp only puts out 150WRMS into 4 ohm. I've been playing with WinISD trying to find my best option for that price range. So what would be my best option?

The 29C was brought in for the labour day sale or something. we were selling them 2 for $99 for tens or 2 for $119 for twelves. At those prices I "might" consider a pair, but they are no where near the 255's, which I consider one of the best entry level subs for $100.

So here are my options:
MTX RT 1004
SONY XS-L1000B
Pioneer TS-W255C
Rockford RFZ 2410

The Rockford looks ugly on WinISD and to get it to sound good it wants like 13^3 [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

The Pioneer looks good so far.

The MTX and SONY I have not found any thiele specs for.

Any other suggestions? I can make an 8" or 12" work, but 10 is the easiest.

Maltesechicken, what is the box tuned to, do you have the port dimensions? I had a couple of those MTX Road Thunder 10's, they are crappy. I couldn't find any specs for the Sony either. The RF site recommends that the RFZ 2410 go in 1 cubice foot, tuned to 35hz. http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/ez2/f...oofers_MAN.pdf

[ September 16, 2003, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: JeepBeats ]

obviously they are crappy...they are sold at butcher shop! uhh...i mean future shop... :eek: [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D

It's a promo "2 for 1" woofer that usually come out for fliers, tent sales, and big holiday sales. They are made for a specific price point (not sure what that would be up north, but alot try to get in for the 2 for $99 area).

Juan

So, the 255 it is then?

Jeepbeats, Yup, I know that RF says for a 1 cube tuned to 35hz. But that graph is plain ugly. If you have WinISD, I will post the thiele small and you can plug it in and see for yourself.

poser [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

Looks like this on BassBox:

http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/imgs/00000501_3.jpg

lol...im just screwin with you guys murley... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I thought it was Torture shop?

Jeep - you know recommended boxes bite.. That box relys heavily on some cabin gain from the car that won'tbe there in a house.


I'd recommend a 15 really - the larger the driver the better for the lows when you have limited power and no free gain. If you can only swing the 12 then do it.

Jeep, that's the same graph that WinISD made . . . I want a much flatter response than that, or a power 30-40hz not 80hz.

Dukk, know of any 15" that will work in 1 cube ported for about $100 that extend nice and low? If not, I have calculated something for the 255 that starts to roll off at 35hz.

good with remote starters? come work for me.

$80 000 a year...and ill do ALLLLLLL the remote starters you want! ;) :D [img]tongue.gif[/img]

so you think you could do 3500+ starters for me in a year?

[img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img]

yep...you can deal with all the comebacks tho ;)

I hear ya DUKK, and I have heard that manufacturer's recommended box specs suck, but whenever I built boxes to the JL specs, they always rocked the house.... :confused: Maybe they had a lot more potential that I never knew about. [img]smile.gif[/img]

JL has somehow designed a sub that would sound decent in the cardboard box it came in.

Here is the TS W255C graphed in red (tuned to 34.12), and the TS W305C graphed in Blue (tuned to 36.4). This is in the box that I have already built. I have subtracted the port volumes, and the Speaker Displacement, so this is as accurate as I can get.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...08_11_full.jpg

I am inclined to go with the 10" because I can get a little bit lower excursion, even if the response isn't as smooth as the 12 (I think I will set the crossover around 80 or lower, so the bass will only get more powerful as it gets lower until 35 hz or so).

hmm only hacks have comebacks, REAL installers do it right the first time [img]tongue.gif[/img]

hmm only hacks have comebacks, REAL installers do it right the first time [img]tongue.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]lol a hack is a compliment to tyler [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D ;) :eek:

hey ****ers! thats like 2 remote starters an hr, every working hr of the entire year!! ill have a "remote start off" with logan and chris any day of the week...then we will see who the REAL hacks are ;)

how long did it take you to do mine?? [img]tongue.gif[/img] :D [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]

whos the one that wanted the freakin thing to do everything include give blowjobs! :eek:

Is that why you took so long "testing" it? :eek:

no, i was actually with your sister that whole time... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

No wonder you moved away to BC!

no, i moved out here cause i couldnt handle all your mom's 3:00am booty calls anymore...

and it's closer to logan!

you know, now that i think of it, your mom does look a lot like logan...shes kinda got that "fruity manlish persona" about her...

JL has somehow designed a sub that would sound decent in the cardboard box it came in. </font>[/QUOTE]I find Pioneer woofers have that quality too - they may never sound fantastic but you gotta try to make them sound bad.

1cuft vented?!?!? what the hell - I thought this was in a house - where's the 4-7cuft monster??? [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

Heck - my 8 is in a bigger box :D

[ September 18, 2003, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]