Subwoofer brands, please explain this to me ..................
wow its grave digging time eh !! Personaly when I started out i went for the big name brands because no one knew what the inderdoggs were. I shopped at AB,Visions,FF and so on......hey they all make good products (rf,kicker,alpine,pioneer)but some of their lines are just way over priced for its quality [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]
Pretend they are all infront of u -->basment, blackmarket, mainstream <-- brands whatever and u have a price list rightinfront of u. U can pick out which ones are built stronger than the others. Forget the flash and chrome im talking quility over all
THE NEW AGE BRANDS are more PRO
Personaly i think headunits is the hottest sellers and with the big names around they will keep car audio alive with the indash LCD /DVD/ NAv stuff and so on .......
but as for amps and quiltity I think u guys can figure out what im trying to say !!
THINK OUTSIDE THAT SQUARE BOX
Pretend they are all infront of u -->basment, blackmarket, mainstream <-- brands whatever and u have a price list rightinfront of u. U can pick out which ones are built stronger than the others. Forget the flash and chrome im talking quility over all
THE NEW AGE BRANDS are more PRO
Personaly i think headunits is the hottest sellers and with the big names around they will keep car audio alive with the indash LCD /DVD/ NAv stuff and so on .......
but as for amps and quiltity I think u guys can figure out what im trying to say !!
THINK OUTSIDE THAT SQUARE BOX
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Originally posted by Prolifik:
lol DD 9917 can infact take 20k watts for burps i have seen it with my own eyes more than once.
spl meathead eh? lol nice, the name calling finally, very mature of u.
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
yes L7 is over priced, there are many 'basement brand' subs that are better at SQ and SPL and still cost less.
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
and u would be surprized how well mdf boxes and mesh wiring can sell your product......just ask pioneer, they have had one of the loudest vehicles PERIOD in the past 2 years.........i wonder why?????? i dont think they are dumping all that money and product into the car that sells nothing.....??? or why is that they came out with a pure spl amp out of no where just to put it in that loud cars of theirs?? its the impressive numbers that sell the product, but i guess u do not see beyond an mdf box and concrete dash...
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
lol DD 9917 can infact take 20k watts for burps i have seen it with my own eyes more than once.
spl meathead eh? lol nice, the name calling finally, very mature of u.
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
yes L7 is over priced, there are many 'basement brand' subs that are better at SQ and SPL and still cost less.
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
and u would be surprized how well mdf boxes and mesh wiring can sell your product......just ask pioneer, they have had one of the loudest vehicles PERIOD in the past 2 years.........i wonder why?????? i dont think they are dumping all that money and product into the car that sells nothing.....??? or why is that they came out with a pure spl amp out of no where just to put it in that loud cars of theirs?? its the impressive numbers that sell the product, but i guess u do not see beyond an mdf box and concrete dash...
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
Originally posted by Prolifik:
lol DD 9917 can infact take 20k watts for burps i have seen it with my own eyes more than once.
lol DD 9917 can infact take 20k watts for burps i have seen it with my own eyes more than once.
spl meathead eh? lol nice, the name calling finally, very mature of u.
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
i seem hang up on woofers b/c this post is about woofers, thats what Tim asked.
not chasing the neich markets makes them inferior TO ME b/c i am part of that neich market. Lambo owners thing cavaliers are inferior and most cavalier owners thing Lambo are a waste of money.....u see what im saying?
yes L7 is over priced, there are many 'basement brand' subs that are better at SQ and SPL and still cost less.
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
do u really think L7 is all custom?? Well then i guess those square woofers on ebay that go for $100 and look just like L7's or L5's are all custom as well......and so are the Hifonics square subs that cost half of what kicker costs....everything is custom from a custom catalog lol
It takes money to be first at something, and it takes money to build a product like the L7. It's "overpriced" to recover the money spent on R&D.
and u would be surprized how well mdf boxes and mesh wiring can sell your product......just ask pioneer, they have had one of the loudest vehicles PERIOD in the past 2 years.........i wonder why?????? i dont think they are dumping all that money and product into the car that sells nothing.....??? or why is that they came out with a pure spl amp out of no where just to put it in that loud cars of theirs?? its the impressive numbers that sell the product, but i guess u do not see beyond an mdf box and concrete dash...
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
crossfire has sponsored competitors on the payroll
fosgate has competitors on the payroll
im not saying that this is the best way to market your product but this definatelly works and works well.
ok defro im not even gonna reply to your post b/c i cant even make out what u are saying. the whole thing is just one big run on sentace [img]graemlins/banghead.gif[/img] . sorry dude [img]graemlins/boring.gif[/img]
Newb, when Tim asked why i assumed he was looking for everyone's personal view/opinion and such i gave. i dont know how u can came even come back and tell that their own opinion is wrong??? especially if its based on experiance and observation? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
when u made your post u said DD99xx I assumed a 9917 b/c i have seen it done on a 9917. i cant guess what exactly u ment by a 'xx' [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
MY AND ONLY MY merit is how well the product fits my application so yes i judge it by the merit. if your merits are diff thats fine, just dont call me an idiot b/c i look at it differently. do i have to mention it one more time that this is only my honest opinion? you have your opinion which differs and u like the product, thats is great. say u disagree dont say my opinion is wrong.....thats just ignorant, sorry.
i see kicker been recovering for 4 years now?? drop the damn price already. yah they have to make it expensive to recover the cost AND ITS PRICED TOO HIGH. u want to teach me about how economy works? here is a concept for you - ECONOMIC UTILITY FUNCTION [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] , and kicker's high prices just aint doin it for me.
and i think u contrudicted youself with:
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seems to me that u have gone far beyond the scope of the original question, which was WHY do ppl like small brands? your arguement has turned into WHAT brands are better. and b/c of this im not goin to make any more replies to this thread. You have your personal opinion and i respect that, so please respect mine.
have a good day.
[ July 14, 2005, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
Newb, when Tim asked why i assumed he was looking for everyone's personal view/opinion and such i gave. i dont know how u can came even come back and tell that their own opinion is wrong??? especially if its based on experiance and observation? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
when u made your post u said DD99xx I assumed a 9917 b/c i have seen it done on a 9917. i cant guess what exactly u ment by a 'xx' [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
MY AND ONLY MY merit is how well the product fits my application so yes i judge it by the merit. if your merits are diff thats fine, just dont call me an idiot b/c i look at it differently. do i have to mention it one more time that this is only my honest opinion? you have your opinion which differs and u like the product, thats is great. say u disagree dont say my opinion is wrong.....thats just ignorant, sorry.
i see kicker been recovering for 4 years now?? drop the damn price already. yah they have to make it expensive to recover the cost AND ITS PRICED TOO HIGH. u want to teach me about how economy works? here is a concept for you - ECONOMIC UTILITY FUNCTION [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] , and kicker's high prices just aint doin it for me.
and i think u contrudicted youself with:
I really don't think that MDF boxes, concrete dashes, and firetrap wiring sell a lot of product
Yes, if you market it right SPL cars can have some advertising value
have a good day.
[ July 14, 2005, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
I don't take any issue with finding a certain product useful, it's just when the attitude develops that ONLY niche products are good that I can't understand it. I'm left with the impression that certain people would all of a sudden not like Adire, RE, etc, if they made it big and could be found in FS, Best Buy, etc, etc.
Tim's original point;
Is what I'm defending. For the average customer the big brands are superior when all things are considered.
Tim's original point;
Why is it that some of you have created this "cult" following for these basement brand name subwoofers that are bought and assembled from a speaker parts book from overseas ? I mean you people really don't think these people are building their own baskets, cones, surrounds and voice coils do you ???
Companies like ed, RE, Adire etc..................
I'm not defending or picking on one brand but I would like someone to fill me in on why these are loved so much when they are generally more money, less warranty, internet sold products..............................
Wouldn't speakers from established companies like (JL, MTX, RF, Orion and dozens more) with retail stores be a better fit? Better customer service............better pricing..............you can hear them most times....................
Companies like ed, RE, Adire etc..................
I'm not defending or picking on one brand but I would like someone to fill me in on why these are loved so much when they are generally more money, less warranty, internet sold products..............................
Wouldn't speakers from established companies like (JL, MTX, RF, Orion and dozens more) with retail stores be a better fit? Better customer service............better pricing..............you can hear them most times....................
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your hilarious prolific, if a product doesnt fit your specific application its a bad product or overpriced. minivans are practical vehicles for people with families or people that have to move stuff around, if you do niether, does that make it a bad vehicle, no. you bash products because they arent spl oriented, and if they are spl oriented and you dont like them, they are overpriced. where do companies like image dynamics and avi fall in your eyes. both are companies that use proper distribution, not scumbag internet retailers, have great reputations for building great sounding, reliable products, do a fraction of the marketing of other brands like kicker and so on, in your eyes where do companies like this fall, are their products overpriced and junk as well. let me ask you this, what makes a woofer overpriced, because it wont handle 5000 watt burps, because it inst capable of doing 145db at 60 hz in a ported box that would make a billygoat barf because it sounds so bad. name brands aside, i want to know what makes a good woofer to you
Originally posted by defro13:
your hilarious prolific, if a product doesnt fit your specific application its a bad product or overpriced. minivans are practical vehicles for people with families or people that have to move stuff around, if you do niether, does that make it a bad vehicle, no. you bash products because they arent spl oriented, and if they are spl oriented and you dont like them, they are overpriced. where do companies like image dynamics and avi fall in your eyes. both are companies that use proper distribution, not scumbag internet retailers, have great reputations for building great sounding, reliable products, do a fraction of the marketing of other brands like kicker and so on, in your eyes where do companies like this fall, are their products overpriced and junk as well. let me ask you this, what makes a woofer overpriced, because it wont handle 5000 watt burps, because it inst capable of doing 145db at 60 hz in a ported box that would make a billygoat barf because it sounds so bad. name brands aside, i want to know what makes a good woofer to you
your hilarious prolific, if a product doesnt fit your specific application its a bad product or overpriced. minivans are practical vehicles for people with families or people that have to move stuff around, if you do niether, does that make it a bad vehicle, no. you bash products because they arent spl oriented, and if they are spl oriented and you dont like them, they are overpriced. where do companies like image dynamics and avi fall in your eyes. both are companies that use proper distribution, not scumbag internet retailers, have great reputations for building great sounding, reliable products, do a fraction of the marketing of other brands like kicker and so on, in your eyes where do companies like this fall, are their products overpriced and junk as well. let me ask you this, what makes a woofer overpriced, because it wont handle 5000 watt burps, because it inst capable of doing 145db at 60 hz in a ported box that would make a billygoat barf because it sounds so bad. name brands aside, i want to know what makes a good woofer to you
Christ.. I didn't know we lived in a world where you weren't allowed to like something based on personal tastes and experiences.
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where did i bash him(unless he is a scumbag internet retailer, i didnt). im saying that just because it doesnt fit a purpose for him doesnt mean its a bad product. coming on here and bashing products just because they arent suitable for your application is wrong. it doesnt make it a bad product or overpriced, just not suitable for you.
jordy, if someone came here and said that he put incriminator amps in his car and they made his woofer sound bad, then proceeded to beak off about how all incriminator amps are bad and oeverpriced and poorly marketed, what would you think. just because they didnt work for him doesnt mean that all incriminator amps are bad, or does it, i dont think so
jordy, if someone came here and said that he put incriminator amps in his car and they made his woofer sound bad, then proceeded to beak off about how all incriminator amps are bad and oeverpriced and poorly marketed, what would you think. just because they didnt work for him doesnt mean that all incriminator amps are bad, or does it, i dont think so
