Very very interesting move..
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IMO a good move. Wayne has always said that he wants dBDrags to be for Everyday Guy. No offense to true consumers but most of the big big competitors are just manufacturers doing battle. I could see Wayne not liking that situation.
IMO there should be a separate Quad category if people are gonna freak. Make it totally open - what the hell since 2 woofers gets as loud as 12 right?
Also, if one wants to draw parallels to racing, whether NHRA or pretty much any kind of racing, there are always restrictions, even in the top classes [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
[ November 26, 2003, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
IMO there should be a separate Quad category if people are gonna freak. Make it totally open - what the hell since 2 woofers gets as loud as 12 right?
Also, if one wants to draw parallels to racing, whether NHRA or pretty much any kind of racing, there are always restrictions, even in the top classes [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
[ November 26, 2003, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
Originally posted by battyrida:
We sure are gonna see alot of quad subs going for cheap now......
Kriston
We sure are gonna see alot of quad subs going for cheap now......
Kriston
Originally posted by Back-2-Bassiks:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Moe Sab:
IMO, this is a very bad move on Wayne's part... the whole concept of competition is to hit as high a number as possible, based on equipment, vehicle and design.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Moe Sab:
IMO, this is a very bad move on Wayne's part... the whole concept of competition is to hit as high a number as possible, based on equipment, vehicle and design.
IMO the best move Wayne has made in the last 5 years. </font>[/QUOTE]I am trying to figure out how this will level the playing field. The serious people in dB Drag that have the money will just switch to duals and buy amps like the JBL/Crown amp. Your back at $30k.
IMO, if you want to make it more attractive to the average guy than revamp the classes. I mean the Extreme guys have more classes than us Street guys
I definately agree with the move, but I do not think it should apply to extreme classes.
I think it is definately a good move is SS though. It is the mid-range class, and it is hard to compete with people with 8 amps to each sub. Cut it down to 4 and everyone has a better chance. Sure, some people will go for bigger amps, but it is at least some restriction that will make things more fair.
I think it is definately a good move is SS though. It is the mid-range class, and it is hard to compete with people with 8 amps to each sub. Cut it down to 4 and everyone has a better chance. Sure, some people will go for bigger amps, but it is at least some restriction that will make things more fair.
I agree with Jon, this doesnt make an even playing field at all. How many average Joe's can afford to buy JBL crowns ? I think Wayne has the right intentions but went the wrong direction completely with this. A seperate class for quad coils would work or a limit on the number of amps you are allowed to run maybe. That would help more than eliminating Quads altogether.
Now there will just be more 3000-4000wrms amps instead of running 2 1500-2000wrms amps.
Now there will just be more 3000-4000wrms amps instead of running 2 1500-2000wrms amps.
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Originally posted by CaptDeth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Back-2-Bassiks:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Moe Sab:
IMO, this is a very bad move on Wayne's part... the whole concept of competition is to hit as high a number as possible, based on equipment, vehicle and design.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Back-2-Bassiks:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Moe Sab:
IMO, this is a very bad move on Wayne's part... the whole concept of competition is to hit as high a number as possible, based on equipment, vehicle and design.
IMO the best move Wayne has made in the last 5 years. </font>[/QUOTE]I am trying to figure out how this will level the playing field. The serious people in dB Drag that have the money will just switch to duals and buy amps like the JBL/Crown amp. Your back at $30k.
IMO, if you want to make it more attractive to the average guy than revamp the classes. I mean the Extreme guys have more classes than us Street guys
</font>[/QUOTE]If I had the money to buy 4 JBL amps for my one quad, would that be attractive to other competitors??
Dukk, I agree with the fact that in any form of competition, every class has it's restrictions. However, as new products come to life in each industry, they are typically incorporated into their respective "sport". In this case it's quad coils.
Other changes I draw this conclusion from include things like nitrous in drag racing cars, or when the new wing designs first appeared on F1 cars (I'm dating myself [img]redface.gif[/img] , okay I'm old !). Another example is in the golf world (yes, I'm a golfer) when square grooves appeared on golf clubs. At first they were banned from professional competition but after a while it was realized that square grooves were here to stay and the PGA rewrote the rules to accept them in the industry.
The point I'm trying to make is that in any form of competition, technology will continue to evolve with new and better performing products, and IMO we cannot "ban" them for fear that they will give someone an unfair advantage. We have to accept this new technology and find ways to incorporate it into our respective organizations for the betterment of our industry. Our industry, as with any industry, will continually grow with new and exciting things and we cannot just dismiss them. These changes are what make our industry exciting and motivate us to expand our horizons, building better ways to enjoy and appreciate our sport. Just because we don't like it doesn't mean it will go away; some things may but some things won't, we have to accept them for what they are. To quote a friend of mine, a saying he heard some time ago "Change is inevitable, growth is optional..."
I'm not trying to say we have to accept everything that comes around, we have to use common sense. The quad coil subwoofer is a technological advancement in speaker technology and should be viewed as such. It falls within the parameters of what constitutes a speaker in a car audio system and fits within the guidelines of a 12 volt car audio system. On the other side of the coin, someone competing in SPL using a gas charge to inject air pressure into the microphone to increase their SPL is not within the guidelines. You do not use something like that in everyday use and does not fall within the guidelines of a 12 volt car audio system, so therefore it is illegal for use in competition. It just makes sense to me.
I respect your take on this issue and you make a valid point, I hope you can appreciate my viewpoint.
Other changes I draw this conclusion from include things like nitrous in drag racing cars, or when the new wing designs first appeared on F1 cars (I'm dating myself [img]redface.gif[/img] , okay I'm old !). Another example is in the golf world (yes, I'm a golfer) when square grooves appeared on golf clubs. At first they were banned from professional competition but after a while it was realized that square grooves were here to stay and the PGA rewrote the rules to accept them in the industry.
The point I'm trying to make is that in any form of competition, technology will continue to evolve with new and better performing products, and IMO we cannot "ban" them for fear that they will give someone an unfair advantage. We have to accept this new technology and find ways to incorporate it into our respective organizations for the betterment of our industry. Our industry, as with any industry, will continually grow with new and exciting things and we cannot just dismiss them. These changes are what make our industry exciting and motivate us to expand our horizons, building better ways to enjoy and appreciate our sport. Just because we don't like it doesn't mean it will go away; some things may but some things won't, we have to accept them for what they are. To quote a friend of mine, a saying he heard some time ago "Change is inevitable, growth is optional..."
I'm not trying to say we have to accept everything that comes around, we have to use common sense. The quad coil subwoofer is a technological advancement in speaker technology and should be viewed as such. It falls within the parameters of what constitutes a speaker in a car audio system and fits within the guidelines of a 12 volt car audio system. On the other side of the coin, someone competing in SPL using a gas charge to inject air pressure into the microphone to increase their SPL is not within the guidelines. You do not use something like that in everyday use and does not fall within the guidelines of a 12 volt car audio system, so therefore it is illegal for use in competition. It just makes sense to me.
I respect your take on this issue and you make a valid point, I hope you can appreciate my viewpoint.
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Both Moe and Dukk have very good points. My view is that the manufacturer support is what makes DB Drag successful. Wayne will do what he can to make them happy. If elimanting a non marketable (to the general public) subwoofer is what is best for the woofer manufacturer that's what he's going to do. Look at all the "great" SPL woofer companies that seem to have come and gone, I know I wouldn't worry about making a company like Atomic Thunder happy, I would be more worried about making Rockford, Mitek, DEI happy.


