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Where to buy Clarion in Canada?
Im looking for a deck: http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=21342
They are an authorized retailer. I know its a refurb, that doesnt bother me. Can anyone/will anyone match this in CDN funds do you think? Im pretty set on this or the 75 |
Someone please id appreciate some input.
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Where do you live?
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Originally Posted by N130Gv2
(Post 502346)
Where do you live?
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PM the BigRedGuy. He's got a good clarion connection, not sure if any of the other vendors carry it, maybe.... :dunno:
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I know that Audiotronic sells them out west, don't know if you have one locally or not.
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Shamus Customz carries Clarion. Give James a call.
http://www.shamuscustomz.com/contact.html Also, factor in freight and potential duty cost. I bought a deck from Onlinecarstereo.com three years ago. Fast shipping, good service but got hit with a $100 duty/brokerage fee. |
Originally Posted by JLatsOne
(Post 502466)
Shamus Customz carries Clarion. Give James a call.
http://www.shamuscustomz.com/contact.html Also, factor in freight and potential duty cost. I bought a deck from Onlinecarstereo.com three years ago. Fast shipping, good service but got hit with a $100 duty/brokerage fee. Anyways I found on ebay a Clarion DXZ575USB (msrp 299.95) for 89.99$ clearance BNIB. Doesnt have time alignment but has 24 bit d/a, 6v preouts, parametric eq, hp/lp filters, front USB input, etc |
Be ready for the brokerage charges, import taxes and extra shipping when it lands at your door as well.
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Originally Posted by MR2NR
(Post 502504)
Be ready for the brokerage charges, import taxes and extra shipping when it lands at your door as well.
UPS is when you get dinged or Fedex. Also marking the item as "Commercial sample" works. My entire system for the last 5 years has been composed of stuff from the US only. |
Originally Posted by Way2slo
(Post 502518)
None. It is shipping USPS as a gift I made sure. Ive never paid duty from the US shipping this way.
UPS is when you get dinged or Fedex. Also marking the item as "Commercial sample" works. My entire system for the last 5 years has been composed of stuff from the US only. |
Originally Posted by NTOXKTD
(Post 502548)
Then go hang out on a US website. Buy locally or see your employer close also. Dont waste our time on here if you already know noone will match the price you are getting.
Im sorry but authorized retailer in the Canada or US, you have to be competitive. Your pretty much asking me to turn a blind eye and pay sometimes double to get something in Canada, for whatever reason. A company isnt going to sell to one authorized retailer for half the price of another, that just doesnt make sense. Also btw, I am a student and do not have alot of money, so I am definetly not going to take your advice, money doesnt grow on trees. |
Originally Posted by Way2slo
(Post 502560)
Dont be a jerk. I clearly asked for local first, and I would gladly pay 10-20$ more to get it locally, otherwise I would not have made the thread. As I said I emailed Derand and ottawa and they wouldnt carry anything of the sort like that, only the models on the Clarion website now, and none of them had the features I needed at that price.
Im sorry but authorized retailer in the Canada or US, you have to be competitive. Your pretty much asking me to turn a blind eye and pay sometimes double to get something in Canada, for whatever reason. A company isnt going to sell to one authorized retailer for half the price of another, that just doesnt make sense. Also btw, I am a student and do not have alot of money, so I am definetly not going to take your advice, money doesnt grow on trees. |
Originally Posted by NTOXKTD
(Post 502583)
Good Luck with warranty. Stay in school and you may learn why you should support your local retailers.
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Originally Posted by FrankB
(Post 502585)
Dump people are needed they clean bathrooms and stuff .He is a dummy but thats what makes the world go round LOL
I understand a *little* about economics and the way the system works. We are in a capitalist society where companies are constantly going to be battling for our money, and trying to compete for business. When a company charges me considerably more, I expect more in return. For the same product your arguement is completely useless. The failure rate of all of the pieces of equipment I have owned is very low. This is the same reason extended warranties at your local Best Buy/Futureshop are a big con. Just like insurance is towards young drivers on the road, and healthcare to the American people. Canadian dealers charge more because people like you accept this and purchase from them, giving them no incentive to be competitive. In the end, you are hurting the economy not me. |
^^^^ spoken like the person dedicated to saving as much money as possible while labelling the CDN retailers basically crooks all whilst having no understanding of how business is done in Canada. If you had the credentials to put forth a usefull arguement on pricing, that would be one thing but by then you would work in this industry, in Canada and then truly be able to understand it and disagree on the very words you just wrote.
"Canadian dealers charge more because people like you accept this and purchase from them, giving them no incentive to be competitive." Now take what I said and apply it to your statement. Prove to us that you understand how business is done in Canada and then prove to us that your statement holds true. |
I am not trying to put anyone down or make anyone seem as dishonest businessmen/women.
Canada also doesnt ( besides Crutchfield and they are american ) have any good websites to compare pricing on a broad scale with. Everything is done on an item to item basis, usually with the big chain stores otherwise you have to email or phone these places because they do not advertise pricing. Please enlighten me then as to the reason pricing is higher for any reason OTHER THAN market fluctuations on the Canadian/American dollar. If you bring up the arguement of shipping from the US, large scale shipping adds negligible amounts to the inventory of a truly successful business. What do you want me to prove? I have already shown you an example of where pricing is cheaper. Do you want me to continue? Canadian retailer Kenwood X-993 ( im doing my best without calling 100 places at 10:30 at night ) Site Stéréo-Plus - English - Head Units Full warranty with crutchfield: Kenwood Excelon KDC-X993 CD receiver at Crutchfield.com 2 Year full warranty, $259.99!!!!!! http://www.woofersetc.com/p7741/KDCX993--Kenwood-MP3-WMA-USB-CD-Receiver-with-Built-in-Bluetooth.htm Etc. By the way XE.com has told me 320$ US is 347$ cdn. Where is the $130 extra coming from? Scam. |
Originally Posted by Way2slo
(Post 502594)
I am not trying to put anyone down or make anyone seem as dishonest businessmen/women.
Canada also doesnt ( besides Crutchfield and they are american ) have any good websites to compare pricing on a broad scale with. Everything is done on an item to item basis, usually with the big chain stores otherwise you have to email or phone these places because they do not advertise pricing. Please enlighten me then as to the reason pricing is higher for any reason OTHER THAN market fluctuations on the Canadian/American dollar. If you bring up the arguement of shipping from the US, large scale shipping adds negligible amounts to the inventory of a truly successful business. What do you want me to prove? I have already shown you an example of where pricing is cheaper. Do you want me to continue? Canadian retailer Kenwood X-993 ( im doing my best without calling 100 places at 10:30 at night ) Site Stéréo-Plus - English - Head Units Full warranty with crutchfield: Kenwood Excelon KDC-X993 CD receiver at Crutchfield.com 2 Year full warranty, $259.99!!!!!! http://www.woofersetc.com/p7741/KDCX993--Kenwood-MP3-WMA-USB-CD-Receiver-with-Built-in-Bluetooth.htm Etc. By the way XE.com has told me 320$ US is 347$ cdn. Where is the $130 extra coming from? Scam. If you think it's a scam, go ahead, buy it thru the US online outlet and be happy with your savings.....the first time you have an issue with it that requires warranty support don't be surprised when the local dealer tells you to send it back to the States....pre-paid and leaving you without tunes until some guy in California decides to get around to fixing it......:stroke: The less you pay up-front the more it can cost you later.....but it's your money....:dunno: |
Originally Posted by Way2slo
(Post 502594)
Full warranty with crutchfield:
Kenwood Excelon KDC-X993 CD receiver at Crutchfield.com 2 Year full warranty, $259.99!!!!!! http://www.woofersetc.com/p7741/KDCX993--Kenwood-MP3-WMA-USB-CD-Receiver-with-Built-in-Bluetooth.htm Etc. You should have taken the time to read the small print, as far as the warrenty goes if it is purchased from the united states and then imported here the warrenty is VOID. Warrenties are only applicable to the countries that the product is purchased from(99.9% of the time, and this isn't the.1%)Do you actually think that if something goes wrong that crutchfield will be there for you? And if not, who do you complain to so that they can enforce the rules? You sir will be up the creek with out a paddle. Enjoy the ride! |
Originally Posted by BigRedGuy
(Post 502595)
The $130 pays for several things.....the wages for the people who work for the company that distributes them in Canada, for the building they work in, the warranty service department they have to set up to get the Canadian distribution rights, the dealer network support services and the national marketing efforts to promote the products. Not to mention sponsoring cars and/or teams using the products.....shall I go on??
If you think it's a scam, go ahead, buy it thru the US online outlet and be happy with your savings.....the first time you have an issue with it that requires warranty support don't be surprised when the local dealer tells you to send it back to the States....pre-paid and leaving you without tunes until some guy in California decides to get around to fixing it......:stroke: The less you pay up-front the more it can cost you later.....but it's your money....:dunno: Every place pays wages, that is a moot point. I am saying pricing period, not warranty from the US to Canada, so also that is pointless. I have had a Kenwood deck I bought used once do a Track Error reading CD's. I sold it on Ebay and got half my money back, and a years use out of it for $130 and it was an x991. The way I see it is, what are the chances my deck is going to break before the warranty is up anyways? Not to mention I can buy two of them. You all have your head buried in the sand, this is just ridiculous. Its like you think Canada has these ridiculous embargo's placed on it that requires businesses to sell merchandise at a huge markup. |
You still don't get it do you. If you work for a living, wait until someone comes to your boss and says, I can supply workers for you at 50% less, that is 2 for 1. But the workers don't have the same expertise, service and support that you offer now. Then if there is a issue it is going to cost you more to service it. Good deal though isn't it, 2 for 1. Your employer agrees and you are out of a job..... or do you think your employer places value in the employees he has and says hit the road to the guy offering the deal to him..... CDN dealers provide value for the investment that they make and obviously you have no appreciation for the work that we do and quite possibly if you are employed, you don't value your employer either. Stay in school and take some business courses so you can at least present a somewhat feasable arguement that can be legitimatly discussed.
FYI, I for one won't match a price on a discontinued out of warranty, repaired and sold with a 90 day warranty cd player bought out of the somewhere in the US from who knows who either. Sure the stuff has to get sold somewhere and if you are looking in the toilet for a toilet price, you found it. You get what you pay for. I value my $ and the service that I provide to my customers. |
You have officially blown this way out of proportion. What service and support? I do all my installs myself. I dont need help to figure out how to install or setup things, there are hundreds of ways to find this information out. If there was a company in Canada that sold competitively priced audio equipment they would be doing well ( an internet based site ).
You and I see value as differently as is the case. I am working for my money that I earn. Why would I work twice as long to get the same product. For the chance that maybe one in 50 products I buy may have a technical problem, and you will be there to help me? I can check online to figure out almost every possible fix that is able to be done by any non-electrician. Do you include in your cost free fixing from an in house electrician during the entire warranty period? More than likely not, but that would be the only way it is fair. You want to provide better staff with more information, that will allow you to sell more since people know you have an honest, well educated workforce. You do not in return hike up the prices and say "Well we do this and this better". At the end of the day, people want equipment, not an opinion because you can get that for free. Youll never convince me that you provide an invaluable service that suggests reason for the sometimes ridiculous price markup from *most* Canadian dealers. I know you have changed alot of peoples minds, or you wouldnt be in business. Good for you, I hope you continue to do well. By the way I asked about any deck close to that, and they had nothing under $200. I did not ask only about "clearance toilet price products." |
My take on it...
Originally Posted by Way2slo
(Post 502560)
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A company isnt going to sell to one authorized retailer for half the price of another, that just doesnt make sense. ... Vendors; If that is the case with car audio say so. The warranty, service argument doesn't hold water. Are Canadians paying 20% of the purchase price to have warranty and good service while Americans get it for free? Of course not. It simply costs more to do business in Canada. The business owner's share of employee income tax and fuel are two things. In the electronics industry, including car audio, dealers have to buy from distributors not directly from the manufacturer. Depending on the product the dealer may only have one choice on where to buy. Distributors are free to put whatever markup percentage they want on a product. That is where price differences start in Canada. Most of the large distributors are US owned and have no incentive to cut Canadian pricing. For every unit they sell in Canada they sell ten in the US. If Canadians won't buy the product in Canada they go to the US and get it. Either way the product gets sold. I was in the computer business. Most times my customers were paying as much more in taxes than they were in profit. By the time I closed the doors I was lucky to make 12% on larger items. I could make 400% on an $2 cable but you have to sell a lot of those to pay the rent. :) Way2slo; I partially agree with your outlook. My truck is from the US because I saved $8000+, about 20%, after all fees. It does have a warranty. This is partially because I am in Atlantic Canada and car dealers here try to sell for MSRP, won't negotiate and don't care if you go somewhere else. At least that is the impression I get. I really don't see that much difference in car audio pricing from established dealers. You shouldn't compare a fly by night eBay dealer to someone who has an established business in Canada. The eBay dealer has very little overhead and no financial commitment to his customers. He doesn't care if you ever buy from him again. You also can't compare online only dealers like Crutchfield to brick and mortar stores. An online dealer doesn't have to keep inventory. The inventory you see is based on what their distributor has. When they sell an item it is drop shipped from the distributor to you. A store with inventory has to buy it then resell it. If they don't sell it, to bad there are usually no refunds. If you can return it there is a restocking fee that is higher than your profit margin. Here's an example of a deck from two vendors in US and Canada, both US owned. Alpine iDA-X303 Best Buy US: $224.99 US / $243.20 CAD Best Buy Canada: $249.99 CAD Crutchfield US: $169.99 / $193.63 CAD Crutchfield Canada $249.99 CAD There is about a 20% difference but as a Canadian we do have to add shipping and any legal customs duties, not courier brokerage. In the end there are no real savings on this particular HU. The example you gave that showed a $130.00 difference may or may not be valid. Canadian dealers tend to post MSRP pricing and sell for less. It is not the best sales practise. Canadian dealers have a small audience. They rely on the customer paying the 'sticker' price but you can negotiate this to a point. He still has to make a profit. US dealers have 10 times the potential customers so they attract them by advertising low prices. That is why Canadian businesses can't justify the large web sites that US businesses can. It costs us just as much or more to build and maintain the site with 1/10 the potential customers. 1/10 is being generous because in real life a US site has the world as potential customers where a Canadian site is lucky to attract Canadian buyers let alone international customers.
Originally Posted by Way2slo
Originally Posted by FrankB
Dump people are needed they clean bathrooms and stuff .He is a dummy but thats what makes the world go round LOL
_______ That is the most long winded post I've ever written on any forum. :) |
Originally Posted by Angus_NB
(Post 502943)
I know that with vehicles including motorcycles, ATVs and parts the statement you made is exactly what happens. For example, Yamaha Canada charges it's dealers more for some parts than the retail price from dealers in the US.
Vendors; If that is the case with car audio say so. The warranty, service argument doesn't hold water. Are Canadians paying 20% of the purchase price to have warranty and good service while Americans get it for free? Of course not. It simply costs more to do business in Canada. The business owner's share of employee income tax and fuel are two things. In the electronics industry, including car audio, dealers have to buy from distributors not directly from the manufacturer. Depending on the product the dealer may only have one choice on where to buy. Distributors are free to put whatever markup percentage they want on a product. That is where price differences start in Canada. Most of the large distributors are US owned and have no incentive to cut Canadian pricing. For every unit they sell in Canada they sell ten in the US. If Canadians won't buy the product in Canada they go to the US and get it. Either way the product gets sold. I was in the computer business. Most times my customers were paying as much more in taxes than they were in profit. By the time I closed the doors I was lucky to make 12% on larger items. I could make 400% on an $2 cable but you have to sell a lot of those to pay the rent. :) Way2slo; I partially agree with your outlook. My truck is from the US because I saved $8000+, about 20%, after all fees. It does have a warranty. This is partially because I am in Atlantic Canada and car dealers here try to sell for MSRP, won't negotiate and don't care if you go somewhere else. At least that is the impression I get. I really don't see that much difference in car audio pricing from established dealers. You shouldn't compare a fly by night eBay dealer to someone who has an established business in Canada. The eBay dealer has very little overhead and no financial commitment to his customers. He doesn't care if you ever buy from him again. You also can't compare online only dealers like Crutchfield to brick and mortar stores. An online dealer doesn't have to keep inventory. The inventory you see is based on what their distributor has. When they sell an item it is drop shipped from the distributor to you. A store with inventory has to buy it then resell it. If they don't sell it, to bad there are usually no refunds. If you can return it there is a restocking fee that is higher than your profit margin. Here's an example of a deck from two vendors in US and Canada, both US owned. Alpine iDA-X303 Best Buy US: $224.99 US / $243.20 CAD Best Buy Canada: $249.99 CAD Crutchfield US: $169.99 / $193.63 CAD Crutchfield Canada $249.99 CAD There is about a 20% difference but as a Canadian we do have to add shipping and any legal customs duties, not courier brokerage. In the end there are no real savings on this particular HU. The example you gave that showed a $130.00 difference may or may not be valid. Canadian dealers tend to post MSRP pricing and sell for less. It is not the best sales practise. Canadian dealers have a small audience. They rely on the customer paying the 'sticker' price but you can negotiate this to a point. He still has to make a profit. US dealers have 10 times the potential customers so they attract them by advertising low prices. That is why Canadian businesses can't justify the large web sites that US businesses can. It costs us just as much or more to build and maintain the site with 1/10 the potential customers. 1/10 is being generous because in real life a US site has the world as potential customers where a Canadian site is lucky to attract Canadian buyers let alone international customers. Be careful when critiquing other's spelling. In this case your should be you're and im should be I'm. _______ That is the most long winded post I've ever written on any forum. :) |
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