UltraMax

Do things like decks and amps "break in"? that is, do they sound better after you play them for X number of hours.

syang3

I think it does take time for the deck/amp to sound its best, or at least to its optimal working temperature, but the difference compared to speaker break in is minimal. Normally you will notice bigger difference from speaker break in that is. I would say don't worry about it.

Tom.F.1

iTrader: (1)

Short answer is no, it won't sound any different after you break in an amp or deck.
You may notice a break in smell the first time it gets hot, but that is normal.

loudlemans

mmmmmm break in smell

Newb

iTrader: (4)

Transistor electronics take seconds to thermally stabilize. However, there is some tool on ECA claiming that they need about 4 hours to do so...

Tubes need a few minutes usually.

In terms of break in over time I can't see how they could change enough for your to hear, and it wouldn't necissarily be "better" even if you could.

JohnVroom

I disagree with the times quoted by you and the other guy on ECA, it will vary depending on circuit board design/ layout and mounting so any quote should be considered relative to the equipment and environment. Tubes will take a minimum of 3-15 minutes every time and maybe a couple hours the first time it is turned on (Conrad Johnson lesson learned), and transistor based systems can also take a while to warm up but generally less than 5 minutes for most car stuff (cold weather could affect this I suppose).

The term you should be using for this is isothermal and the value of everything from capacitors to inductors to resistors will vary with temperature. The transistors operation will vary fairy significantly with temperature, they tend to conduct more current at higher temperatures.

I have heard the 'break in' of equipment but nothing really profound other than the Conrad Johnson preamp which was perhaps the absolute worst sounding piece of equipment I have ever heard for the first 2 hours of its existence. Then it just sounded like a typical CJ.

There was a design flaw in a big name amp a few years back and the amp would make some very strange sounds as it warmed up and sometimes after it was warmed up. Several I heard had a horrible HF whine from the amp once it was warmed up... unacceptable... I am glad I never purchased that product.

JohnVroom

I would also say 'dont worry about it', this should not be all that significant in a properly functioning product

UltraMax

Thanks for the replies and explanation guys.

Sigh, I was hoping my deck would be even _more_ sweet sounding

Haunz

iTrader: (3)

As far as a 'break in'.. any physical change in new components will take place the first time they see power... its also true that semiconductors and caps will degrade over time due to BOTH heat and applied voltage (changing one alone or both together can effect a physical change) But devices and tolerences are selected to a level where any gradual change will still be neglagable...

an example where you may see this with a semiconductor and it matters, is a computer CPU that looses stability over time... (most common in cpus that have had thier core voltage boosted and are overclocked)


I don't want to pick on you, but you should read the definition of isothermal...
isothermal - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Id agree that there will be measurable differences in the components inside an amp from when its cold to when its hot... inductance of caps goes up and capacitance can go up or down depending on the type of cap... a semiconductor's resistance will go up or down, also depending on the type of semiconductor... ect ect

But I'd also bet my entire car stereo system that any change in the output of an amplifier is not going to be audible...

JohnVroom

iso (single) thermal ... my point was there is a variation in performance till isothermal conditions are achieved then they should be constant. My terminology is correct, the warm up is the thermal transient, I did not present the information as well as I could have.
edit: Me no use word good