SQ (not sqL): 2*12" Type-Rs or 2*10" Perfects
try running a real good midbass unit form pyramid, or if you dare........the kricket eliminator 8 inch...... lol.... just trying to bring some humor to the forum. sometimes we get to carried away on symatics and forget the big picture.... having fun and big chested ladies in wet t- shirts!!
1) A sub does not SQ make
-Most any sub can sound good, for any sub to perform well, get a good box made according to the subs spec. The box defines how the sub will be, ALL loud, ALL SQ or a little bit in the middle.
2)8 inch midbases aren't necessary.
-They are mostely for personal satisfaction and of course the "mine is bigger then yours", but one could be surprised by how much thump per inch one can get out of even a 5\14inch.
3)True SQ'ers know the front end matters most hehe
-SQ is mostely about not subs.
So to get back to what sub, I suggest only one of these:
Parts Express
ayton RSS315HF-4 12" Reference HF Subwoofer 4 Ohm
Or the mach5audio MAW12, they are cheep and will get you some good base.
And use the rest of your money to build a good box for it and then get a component set and an amp to power it and start seriously thinking of sound deadening.
As for ported or sealed, have, just do a search, must be a million posts out there:
But here is a resume
Ported: harder to get right but you can make it louder and lower and requires a bigger box.
Sealed: easier and requires smaller box.
-Most any sub can sound good, for any sub to perform well, get a good box made according to the subs spec. The box defines how the sub will be, ALL loud, ALL SQ or a little bit in the middle.
2)8 inch midbases aren't necessary.
-They are mostely for personal satisfaction and of course the "mine is bigger then yours", but one could be surprised by how much thump per inch one can get out of even a 5\14inch.
3)True SQ'ers know the front end matters most hehe
-SQ is mostely about not subs.
So to get back to what sub, I suggest only one of these:
Parts Express
ayton RSS315HF-4 12" Reference HF Subwoofer 4 OhmOr the mach5audio MAW12, they are cheep and will get you some good base.
And use the rest of your money to build a good box for it and then get a component set and an amp to power it and start seriously thinking of sound deadening.
As for ported or sealed, have, just do a search, must be a million posts out there:
But here is a resume
Ported: harder to get right but you can make it louder and lower and requires a bigger box.
Sealed: easier and requires smaller box.
True, I hear what you're saying. But there are many nuances in bass that a good SQ system should be able to more accurately reproduce, no?
And about the dayton sub, is it okay that its actually a home theatre sub and not a car sub??
I'm probably going to end up with going for sealed, since I listen to alternative quite a bit, and I'd like to keep the bass tight and punchy instead of bloomy.
And about the dayton sub, is it okay that its actually a home theatre sub and not a car sub??
I'm probably going to end up with going for sealed, since I listen to alternative quite a bit, and I'd like to keep the bass tight and punchy instead of bloomy.
so how much thump exactly would I get from 5n1/4 inch speaker?
most "home" subs are designed with environment in mind, so sometimes they don't have inches of excursion and need a fairly large box. Sometimes you can find really nice home pieces, like Dayton subs, that do well in smaller boxes that are suitable for car use.
Last edited by df.dima; Mar 23, 2008 at 08:17 AM.
Well depending on your expectations...
hehe
My example comes from when I had a kicker 3way set, I had undersized 6.5inchers (really 6 inch) and their 8inch RMB8 midbase. I couldn't bandpass the midbase du to xover limitations and they kept bottoming out(install issue). Eventually when I got pods for the little components,I found that they ended up giving me alot more punch then the 8inch midbases were giving me and I could bandpass them unlike the 8inch. So I dumped the mids and went with 2 way and boy did they ever kick (relative of course).
The 8 with a better enclosure and a HP filter would have done a lot better since it does have a lot more cone aea, but I was surprised what an enclosure could do for my tiny kicker comps midbase wise.
True, but I have seen car gear get damaged by the elements, I think the difference is pretty small if there actually is one between car and home gear. As you mentioned though, often car gear is made for smaller boxes and that's a big plus.
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SQ wise, don't think that ported won't get you tight base, a lot of people will say that ported has the potential to always sound better then sealed when both boxes are done right (well most of the time, some subs are made to exel in a certain enclosure and aren't all that great in the other).
heheMy example comes from when I had a kicker 3way set, I had undersized 6.5inchers (really 6 inch) and their 8inch RMB8 midbase. I couldn't bandpass the midbase du to xover limitations and they kept bottoming out(install issue). Eventually when I got pods for the little components,I found that they ended up giving me alot more punch then the 8inch midbases were giving me and I could bandpass them unlike the 8inch. So I dumped the mids and went with 2 way and boy did they ever kick (relative of course).
The 8 with a better enclosure and a HP filter would have done a lot better since it does have a lot more cone aea, but I was surprised what an enclosure could do for my tiny kicker comps midbase wise.
There's nothing wrong with using home gear in car, aside from certain install situations where sometimes home driver cones can become damaged by water or weather elements. imho, home gear is not priced ridiculously and gives you excellent performance.
most "home" subs are designed with environment in mind, so sometimes they don't have inches of excursion and need a fairly large box. Sometimes you can find really nice home pieces, like Dayton subs, that do well in smaller boxes that are suitable for car use.
most "home" subs are designed with environment in mind, so sometimes they don't have inches of excursion and need a fairly large box. Sometimes you can find really nice home pieces, like Dayton subs, that do well in smaller boxes that are suitable for car use.
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SQ wise, don't think that ported won't get you tight base, a lot of people will say that ported has the potential to always sound better then sealed when both boxes are done right (well most of the time, some subs are made to exel in a certain enclosure and aren't all that great in the other).
[QUOTE=M.F.K;320874]True, I hear what you're saying. But there are many nuances in bass that a good SQ system should be able to more accurately reproduce, no?
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I personally think that your sub and amp are fine for SQ use, good power and those inifinity should sound pretty good. If they don't, look for a different box for them, I think you could be surprised.
One thing though, I don't know what JBL amp that is exactly, but I know some of them came with 6db xovers and I wasn't to impressed with such a shallow slope.
I would consider keeping what you have and start thinking about a different box and upgrading the rest of your gear.
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I personally think that your sub and amp are fine for SQ use, good power and those inifinity should sound pretty good. If they don't, look for a different box for them, I think you could be surprised.
One thing though, I don't know what JBL amp that is exactly, but I know some of them came with 6db xovers and I wasn't to impressed with such a shallow slope.
I would consider keeping what you have and start thinking about a different box and upgrading the rest of your gear.
True, I hear what you're saying. But there are many nuances in bass that a good SQ system should be able to more accurately reproduce, no?
And about the dayton sub, is it okay that its actually a home theatre sub and not a car sub??
I'm probably going to end up with going for sealed, since I listen to alternative quite a bit, and I'd like to keep the bass tight and punchy instead of bloomy.
And about the dayton sub, is it okay that its actually a home theatre sub and not a car sub??
I'm probably going to end up with going for sealed, since I listen to alternative quite a bit, and I'd like to keep the bass tight and punchy instead of bloomy.
I personally think that your sub and amp are fine for SQ use, good power and those inifinity should sound pretty good. If they don't, look for a different box for them, I think you could be surprised.
One thing though, I don't know what JBL amp that is exactly, but I know some of them came with 6db xovers and I wasn't to impressed with such a shallow slope.
I would consider keeping what you have and start thinking about a different box and upgrading the rest of your gear.
One thing though, I don't know what JBL amp that is exactly, but I know some of them came with 6db xovers and I wasn't to impressed with such a shallow slope.
I would consider keeping what you have and start thinking about a different box and upgrading the rest of your gear.
The amp is a JBL BP600.1 amp. Heres a linky:
http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=BP600.1&CheckProduct=Y
They both are in a sealed enclosure right now that I picked up for 55 dollars.
Should I look at ported?
You said that ported can sometimes sound as good as if not better than sealed. Do you think these subs have what it takes?
Also, what do you guys think about MTX components?
Anyone ever used them/heard them first hand/ear? :P
I'm looking at the TX6001 components.
Would you guys recommend them for an SQ setup on a tight budget?
Anyone ever used them/heard them first hand/ear? :P
I'm looking at the TX6001 components.
Would you guys recommend them for an SQ setup on a tight budget?





