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godzilla1978 05-23-2009 03:50 PM

Turning down the volume on tweeters
 
I've got a set of infinity 6020cs components running off an enegy crossover(the infinity one only goes to -3Db energy goes to-6Db) The amp is alpine mrp f300. I've also turned down the treble at the deck but the tweeters are still to loud for me. I've done some research into using and L-pad but it seems a little much for what I want. Can't I just use a resistor after the crossover, and if i can where would I get one that can stand up to 50watts rms.

fozzz 05-23-2009 06:14 PM

You were on the right track. An L pad will do the trick for you. Resistors can be had at most electronic shops. You can also order them from solen and parts connexion.

danyman 05-23-2009 06:35 PM

your main issue is that you have the infinity speakers lol.. they are loud and not to my liking either. ( too harsh ) but maybe you will make them work good and sound good. good luck

Phil G. 05-23-2009 07:46 PM

I have to agree ,I have the infinity components as well and find they really get in my face. I have the x-overs set at -3db but they are still way to bright. Turning the treble on the source way down helps but.... They may end up for sale at some point.

Smoke_31 05-23-2009 08:03 PM

I'm not sure what you are running equipment-wise, but I would honestly just try EQ'ing them to get them to sound more acceptable. It's amazing what an EQ can do.

Smoke_31 05-23-2009 08:15 PM

Another thought, are you concerned about the shrillness of the tweeters or is the volume of the tweeter itself too high?

If it's the volume, you might consider making sure your doors are deadened to heighten your midbass and if you are running a sub, turn the volume up to blend with your fronts.

Sorry, I'm too lazy to go back and check your sig.

Sasha 05-23-2009 09:24 PM

Another angle to look at it is perhaps that you're using crossovers from a different set, and xover points are not liked by your speakers. It could be either the tweets are not liking to be playing so low and getting into fs resonance issues, or the mids dont like playing to high and getting into cone break-up. Either one will sound very harsh, and it gets worse with more volume. Just a thought.

JohnVroom 05-24-2009 10:29 AM

only a few options for you, 1 and 4 are cheapest;
1- Best- L-Pad ( lowers tweeter volume without shifting crossover point)
2- alter xover point if it is midrange edge (this works pretty good if the problem is the upper end of the mid driver or the lower end of the tweet)
3- add another product that can also EQ the system (this will add system noise)
4- in line resistors (they cause xover point issues)
5- get a different tweeter...
6- move the tweeters or at least change their angle

godzilla1978 05-24-2009 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by danyman (Post 486520)
your main issue is that you have the infinity speakers lol.. they are loud and not to my liking either. ( too harsh ) but maybe you will make them work good and sound good. good luck

I know their enherantly harsh. I used to have a set of MB Quart RCE216's they were perfect, but I thought they were defective cause one was much louder than the other so I traded them in. It turns out it was my amp that was defective, but it was to late to get my MB's back.



Originally Posted by Sasha (Post 486539)
Another angle to look at it is perhaps that you're using crossovers from a different set, and xover points are not liked by your speakers. It could be either the tweets are not liking to be playing so low and getting into fs resonance issues, or the mids dont like playing to high and getting into cone break-up. Either one will sound very harsh, and it gets worse with more volume. Just a thought.

I really don't think it's the crossovers,because I originally had them on the infinities and it was even worse. The infinity crossover only has the -3db option the energy has a -6db, however it's still not enough. I've been toying with the idea of running active to try and fix the problem.


Originally Posted by JohnVroom (Post 486642)
only a few options for you, 1 and 4 are cheapest;
1- Best- L-Pad ( lowers tweeter volume without shifting crossover point)
2- alter xover point if it is midrange edge (this works pretty good if the problem is the upper end of the mid driver or the lower end of the tweet)
3- add another product that can also EQ the system (this will add system noise)
4- in line resistors (they cause xover point issues)
5- get a different tweeter...
6- move the tweeters or at least change their angle

I've entertained all of those idea's and the L pad seems like the best choice, but I've never seen one, or any specs to build my own, or where to get component's for such a project. Even though I'm an installer myself, it seems the art of building your own crossovers is a lost art. No one I've asked knows anything about it!

JohnVroom 05-24-2009 11:02 PM

Weber L-Pad Design <- clickie

nice crossover site <- clickie
passive design <- clickie

I just did my first home made passive design not as cheep as you might think but satisfying

I have some variable L-pads from my SHO and they are still a valued asset

stephenfleming 05-25-2009 10:18 AM

Solen, will have just about everything you need to do you're own crossover or L-pad.
I have their catalogue somewhere around here

Or

Go active, you'll love it!
Only one down side for you, you'll need another amp for your rears

Or

Get the gf to buy you a really nice compenent set as a "Just Cuz" present

godzilla1978 05-25-2009 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by (Post 486917)
Solen, will have just about everything you need to do you're own crossover or L-pad.
I have their catalogue somewhere around here

Or

Go active, you'll love it!
Only one down side for you, you'll need another amp for your rears

Or

Get the gf to buy you a really nice compenent set as a "Just Cuz" present

I had another amp but put it in the gf car a couple of days ago along with the energy's that i took the crossovers from. It's to late to take it back now!

godzilla1978 05-25-2009 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by JohnVroom (Post 486828)
Weber L-Pad Design <- clickie

nice crossover site <- clickie
passive design <- clickie

I just did my first home made passive design not as cheep as you might think but satisfying

I have some variable L-pads from my SHO and they are still a valued asset

If i were to make the L-pad is it supposed to go after the crossover?

stephenfleming 05-25-2009 01:12 PM

Yes, you only want to adjust the tweeter level

gumby! 05-26-2009 09:54 PM

L- pads... or another trick that a lot of people do not mention.... wrap grill cloth over the tweeter... it sounds silly... but it works!

DeadlySones 05-27-2009 07:01 AM

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lol.... I found my RF tweets to be a little harsh, so I found some headphone speaker covers that fit over my tweets. Worked great for me.

godzilla1978 05-28-2009 05:31 PM

Thanks guy's for all the suggestions. The grill cloth or headphone foam is kinda ghetto but if it works.... I guess i'll make a trip to the dollar store. I'll post the results when I get a chance.


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