What speaker is good for mid bass?
11-01-2008, 11:26 PM
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What speaker is good for mid bass?
I just recently bought a pair of focal 165 KF for the fronts. They sound awesome but I find that, in order to get clean and clear vocal off them, I have to cross them pretty high. I cross my sub, Focal polyglass 33v2, at 50hz. There's a missing chunk of mid bass that I need to fill up. When I play my reference track, Eagles - Hotel California, the missing chunk of bass is very obvious. I now hooked up my stock 6x9 and cross it to fill in the mid bass..which actually sounds pretty good, but they are very poor in dynamics. If I turn them a little louder, it starts distorting. Well, basically, it can't keep up with my frionts and sub.
Can anybody suggest a punchy sounding speaker that I can use as mid bass? either 6.5 or 6x9 is fine. Around 100+, less than 200 is ideal, thanks
Can anybody suggest a punchy sounding speaker that I can use as mid bass? either 6.5 or 6x9 is fine. Around 100+, less than 200 is ideal, thanks
11-02-2008, 04:47 PM
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That Focal speaker has incredible midbass. You need to wait while he speaker is broken in. I keep telling you this. Keep your ears open when people give you advise like on how to properly tune and cross your system. It seems you're still doing it your way, and it may not be the best way to go.
Last edited by Sasha; 11-02-2008 at 04:49 PM.
11-02-2008, 05:21 PM
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Alex, the mid bass is there, but it shrouds the midrange too much. I don't like it when the bass is shrouding the vocals, which makes everything very muddy. Don't forget that you listen to trance mostly and there's no vocals involved which makes a huge difference in terms of your listening requirements vs mine.
I'll take the 06+ into consideration, but Ross never got back to me regarding my inquiry about the 62i component last time
maybe I should try calling.
I'll take the 06+ into consideration, but Ross never got back to me regarding my inquiry about the 62i component last time
maybe I should try calling.
11-02-2008, 07:54 PM
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Alex, the mid bass is there, but it shrouds the midrange too much. I don't like it when the bass is shrouding the vocals, which makes everything very muddy. Don't forget that you listen to trance mostly and there's no vocals involved which makes a huge difference in terms of your listening requirements vs mine.
I'll take the 06+ into consideration, but Ross never got back to me regarding my inquiry about the 62i component last time maybe I should try calling.
I'll take the 06+ into consideration, but Ross never got back to me regarding my inquiry about the 62i component last time
maybe I should try calling.It is all about proper crossing, Damian. If you're not satisfied, then you may not like the speakers you have. Also, that's one reason why people run 3-ways, and constantly upgrade and change their systems. Some of us are very critical. I listen to plenty vocals, and I do not have the problem you mention in my set-up. If you want 2-ways to sound low to high with little to no comprimise, be ready to spend more money on better speakers. Also, I meant I do not like what you're trying to do with 6/9's. The idea is not for a true SQ set-up. The clean sound is not the only thing, you gotta have the correct staging and imaging for better results.
Crossing your Focal mids at 80hz is probably the best spot for that speaker. Take away 5-10 hz up or down, but lower than 80hz will shroud as you say the upper midrange and this speaker is not happy playing lower anyways, as it cannot handle it well. You may not have a big issue here personally, cause you dont listen to music loud. If you cross higher, it will open up the upper midrange, but then you have to cross your sub higher to make up the bandwidth you're lacking, and this way you sub will be crossed too high, and will sound badly because bass will become easily localized, which is horrible for staging/imaging, not to mention, if this particular sub will be happy playing that high. The only thing you have thats not going to be bad in your set-up is that you listen to music at low volumes, and speaker flaws do not come out as soon.
06+ is a sub pretty much. I cant think of anyone pulling that design of in the front. To me it is a useless design. plus, you will need to run the front active with it, otherwise the whole front sound will be out of balance.
Getting better gear helps, if you're that picky about sound, but ultimately you need to know what your gear can and cannot do for you, and make educated decisions that is right for your application and do it right. It seems to me you may have too muny expectations from the gear you have now, as ultimately it cannot do what you want it to do, as you may want to look over your gear, and recognize it's limitations. Try tuning it better, and ask people who know more about it, cause you may not be on the right track. I am not saying you're wrong, just saying someone may show you a better way, and you may need to open up to suggestions, instead of being stubborn. We are trying to help.
Last edited by Sasha; 11-02-2008 at 07:59 PM.
11-02-2008, 08:09 PM
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Furthermore, I did not explain myself in detail, and if I understand correctly, it seems you want to get more midbass by getting it from the rear(6/9's), and this is bad for staging. At the expense of getting more midbass, your stage will be drawn to the rear, unless this is not an issue for you, but if I ran anything in the rear, I would run it faded out mostly, and this way I would not be hearing any gains in midbass. Even if you ran 6/9's there, you will not be gaining that much output anyways, and you'd still be lacking midbass in the the front, and it will sound like music is coming from behind you. Some people like it, are you one of them? So, experiment with what you have now, and see what I mean for yourself before spending money, and realizing after others were right, and you had to find out the hard way.
