Well the onlt PM I can think of that I did that on is the one of the "new style" CRX box, which wouldn't work in our application as it is for 10's and not 12's as far as my research has shown me. To let you know I tried a few of your ideas and they helped me get in the ballpark. Ray has helped me with a single and Rob V.O. would be a double in a baseball analogy. I just hope to hit one out of the park by the end of summer.