The system I'm building on $150
Update:
As can be expected with car audio I wasn't satisfied with the sound from my front stage. The passive cross-overs weren't in agreement with each other. The mid range rolled off too soon creating a significant gape between tweeter and mid. The only way to correct this properly is to go active . . . and that takes a bit more $$$ . . . so I started selling equipment
(note, I bought 2 more sub lots from the guy for $15 each lot).
I sold the two amps for $55 each = $110
I sold the MTX 710 for $100 with a box.
I sold a pair of RF P210D4 (from one of those $15 lots) for $60 - I just needed to re-attach the terminals - this was a breeze by modifying some speaker mounting clips.
I sold an RF P115S8 for $20 (from above mentioned lot)
I sold a Pioneer TSW254D4 for $40 . . .
So in the end I this got me $330 . . . and I still have some RF P210D4 that I might be able to repair if I can reattach the tinsel leads.
I still have a cheap "Verge" mono block that does 250wrms @ 2ohms . . . but no front stage.
So, with $330 at my disposal, I might have been able to go active . . . but I succumbed to another temptation I've been longing for
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I bought this at a show in my local mall a few weeks ago from the Canadian distributor . . . I couldn't pass up the deal. At $200, which included batteries and all taxes, it was too good to pass up!
So, I guess I've got $110 to play with now . . . maybe my favourite e-bayer will have some more good lots for me to buy and sell with
As can be expected with car audio I wasn't satisfied with the sound from my front stage. The passive cross-overs weren't in agreement with each other. The mid range rolled off too soon creating a significant gape between tweeter and mid. The only way to correct this properly is to go active . . . and that takes a bit more $$$ . . . so I started selling equipment
(note, I bought 2 more sub lots from the guy for $15 each lot).
I sold the two amps for $55 each = $110
I sold the MTX 710 for $100 with a box.
I sold a pair of RF P210D4 (from one of those $15 lots) for $60 - I just needed to re-attach the terminals - this was a breeze by modifying some speaker mounting clips.
I sold an RF P115S8 for $20 (from above mentioned lot)
I sold a Pioneer TSW254D4 for $40 . . .
So in the end I this got me $330 . . . and I still have some RF P210D4 that I might be able to repair if I can reattach the tinsel leads.
I still have a cheap "Verge" mono block that does 250wrms @ 2ohms . . . but no front stage.
So, with $330 at my disposal, I might have been able to go active . . . but I succumbed to another temptation I've been longing for
Click here
I bought this at a show in my local mall a few weeks ago from the Canadian distributor . . . I couldn't pass up the deal. At $200, which included batteries and all taxes, it was too good to pass up!
So, I guess I've got $110 to play with now . . . maybe my favourite e-bayer will have some more good lots for me to buy and sell with


Distracted by another toy, eh?.....congrats on the new wheels.....

I might be able to help with the active front stage, give me a couple of weeks to get some stuff back out of storage and we'll talk.......
So what kind of stuff do you have? I've been considering buying another car so my son and I can drive together . . . I just can't justify the cost to my wife
What brand of car were you running? On road? Off road? Truck? Fun stuff though.

NP Nick, let me know when you want to stop by.....I will probably not be ready to go until the 2nd week in December.......hope the Farmer's Almanac is wrong about the snow and cold they say is coming......
I'm currently bi-amping my components off my HU . . . front is tweeters, rear is mids. It's not bad for just a head unit. I would say the tweeters don't need more than head unit power. But the mids definitely need more to really sing.
I checked my favourite e-bayer (he lists new stuff every Tuesday) no new car audio this week. Last time he had a lot of AS-IS subs they went for a high price, so I'm thinking that my secret might be too well known now, and I might not be able to continue with this racket
It's fun playing around with all of this stuff . . . I've come to the conclusion that as long as I don't aim for perfection, but just have fun in the process of building and tweaking, it's a blast! When I start aiming for perfection is when I want to spend money I don't have.
I'm currently bi-amping my components off my HU . . . front is tweeters, rear is mids. It's not bad for just a head unit. I would say the tweeters don't need more than head unit power. But the mids definitely need more to really sing.
I checked my favourite e-bayer (he lists new stuff every Tuesday) no new car audio this week. Last time he had a lot of AS-IS subs they went for a high price, so I'm thinking that my secret might be too well known now, and I might not be able to continue with this racket
I'm currently bi-amping my components off my HU . . . front is tweeters, rear is mids. It's not bad for just a head unit. I would say the tweeters don't need more than head unit power. But the mids definitely need more to really sing.
I checked my favourite e-bayer (he lists new stuff every Tuesday) no new car audio this week. Last time he had a lot of AS-IS subs they went for a high price, so I'm thinking that my secret might be too well known now, and I might not be able to continue with this racket


I assume you have caps protecting the tweeters.........I stumbled across a couple of pieces this summer that will do the trick for you....they were pretty cheap and I'm dying to get them hooked up somewhere......

If you still have $110 left.....you'll be singing soon.....
Some of my thoughts on the subs that came across my bench in this . . .
Pioneer TS-W257D4 was a disappointment. I have been a Pioneer fan for awhile, so I think I was expecting more from it. It was sloppy in a ported box, and didn't have much bottom end in a sealed box. I used to think that Pioneer offered better quality for the same price point . . . but now I don't think that Pioneer's quality is any better than the competition.
RF P115S8 Was nothing special . . . but given that it is a bottom of the barrel 15" it wasn't bad. I would have expected more bottom end from a 15", but it is their entry level sub.
MTX 512 was pretty similar to the Pioneer. OK in a sealed box - good punch, not so good rumble. I haven't thought much of MTX's entry level stuff in the past, so this was par for the course in my opinion.
RF P210D4 was a nice sub. It worked well in both sealed and ported (although I preferred the ported). Given that at one point Future shop was selling these at the same price point as the Pioneer TS-W257D4, I was surprised. I think the RF is level above the Pioneer.
MTX 510 Great sounding sub, great power handling and worked well in both sealed and ported. I really liked this sub and fed it lots of power.
My preference from all of this, given each subs MSRP, the improvement in sound quality from the RF P210D4 to the MTX 510 wasn't that noticeable. So I would take the RF over the MTX. Only draw back is power handling . . . but then I could get 2 RFs for close to the same price as one MTX.
Pioneer TS-W257D4 was a disappointment. I have been a Pioneer fan for awhile, so I think I was expecting more from it. It was sloppy in a ported box, and didn't have much bottom end in a sealed box. I used to think that Pioneer offered better quality for the same price point . . . but now I don't think that Pioneer's quality is any better than the competition.
RF P115S8 Was nothing special . . . but given that it is a bottom of the barrel 15" it wasn't bad. I would have expected more bottom end from a 15", but it is their entry level sub.
MTX 512 was pretty similar to the Pioneer. OK in a sealed box - good punch, not so good rumble. I haven't thought much of MTX's entry level stuff in the past, so this was par for the course in my opinion.
RF P210D4 was a nice sub. It worked well in both sealed and ported (although I preferred the ported). Given that at one point Future shop was selling these at the same price point as the Pioneer TS-W257D4, I was surprised. I think the RF is level above the Pioneer.
MTX 510 Great sounding sub, great power handling and worked well in both sealed and ported. I really liked this sub and fed it lots of power.
My preference from all of this, given each subs MSRP, the improvement in sound quality from the RF P210D4 to the MTX 510 wasn't that noticeable. So I would take the RF over the MTX. Only draw back is power handling . . . but then I could get 2 RFs for close to the same price as one MTX.
I'm running the comps through the cross-overs still. The crossovers have independent inputs for mid and tweeter, so they are bi-amp friendly. I'm running them accordingly . . . hmm, now that I think about it, I by-pass the X-over for the mids and see if that gets me the upper mid range I've been missing . . .
What exactly are the pieces that you are talking about?
I'm hoping you're not talking about some Pyramid or Legacy stuff (I'm done with those days)
I'm hoping you're not talking about some Pyramid or Legacy stuff (I'm done with those days)
I'm running the comps through the cross-overs still. The crossovers have independent inputs for mid and tweeter, so they are bi-amp friendly. I'm running them accordingly . . . hmm, now that I think about it, I by-pass the X-over for the mids and see if that gets me the upper mid range I've been missing . . .
What exactly are the pieces that you are talking about?
I'm hoping you're not talking about some Pyramid or Legacy stuff (I'm done with those days)
What exactly are the pieces that you are talking about?
I'm hoping you're not talking about some Pyramid or Legacy stuff (I'm done with those days)

It's all decent stuff, it just needs a home. After I get it back I'll toss a couple ideas and model numbers at you....

You still have the 2 Insignia amps right?


