Audiothunder officially only an SPL show this year :(
11-30-2003, 07:29 AM
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IASCA needs to be in stores/shops here in Canada and be involved. If IASCA becomes a part of the process and brings value to the customer, then I believe we're going to see an increase in competitors showing up to Audiothunder for starters. I don't think just making a process (rule books, clinics, formats, etc) available off an IASCA shelf in the USA is going to create any sort of new interest. And although I may be wrong on this, that's all I see happening so far.
It's unfortunate that the next Audiothunder will not have an SQ portion, but it doesn't really surprise me. I think the problem is at the roots of the industry where the sales are being made at the counter. IASCA is not at the counters in the Canadian market in any substantial way and not yet adding any value to a customer purchase. IASCA has to grow from the shops and stores first and sold to the customer almost like waranttee is. Make the customer believe they must have IASCA just like they need a waranttee on the goods they purchase. And show the customer how important the value of buying into IASCA is and how it will make their car audio experience so much better. Make them see and believe the value. BUT, but before that happens we must be certain what value IASCA is actually adding and most importantly I think IASCA must teach the Canadian industry the value of IASCA and show that they are here 110% to back up the Canadian industry and will actually be here when they are needed.
[ November 30, 2003, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
It's unfortunate that the next Audiothunder will not have an SQ portion, but it doesn't really surprise me. I think the problem is at the roots of the industry where the sales are being made at the counter. IASCA is not at the counters in the Canadian market in any substantial way and not yet adding any value to a customer purchase. IASCA has to grow from the shops and stores first and sold to the customer almost like waranttee is. Make the customer believe they must have IASCA just like they need a waranttee on the goods they purchase. And show the customer how important the value of buying into IASCA is and how it will make their car audio experience so much better. Make them see and believe the value. BUT, but before that happens we must be certain what value IASCA is actually adding and most importantly I think IASCA must teach the Canadian industry the value of IASCA and show that they are here 110% to back up the Canadian industry and will actually be here when they are needed.
[ November 30, 2003, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
11-30-2003, 11:31 AM
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If they bring IASCA back, I'm with Moe... I'd be happy to Judge install for free... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
12-01-2003, 10:05 AM
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Has IASCA done enough to maintain the efforts of those like Jamie Edmundson, Mark Bruno, etc or have they squandered away those valuable resources. I have a whole lot of questions but no answers.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, and I really didn't want to air this laundry on this forum, the situation with Jamie was unfortunately a serious lack of communication between both parties. The contact person for IASCA involved created a situation for Paul Papadeas that he personally has tried to resolve. Unfortunately, phone calls and emails that were made to resolve this situation went unanswered. It is very difficult to resolve an issue when only one party is working to resolve it.
Paul Papadeas has the utmost respect for Jamie and Mark and I know this first hand. Paul and I discussed the whole situation and I can assure you that he feels very badly about the whole thing and would like to talk to Jamie and straighten it out. As for Mark, this is the first time I have been made aware of any situation. If he has a problem with IASCA, I would recommend he calls Paul and voice his concerns.
In regards to IASCA needing to be in retail shops in Canada, you are absolutely right, and that's what they are working towards. It is not just on an IASCA shelf in the USA, it's in many retail shops in Canada as well, shops like mine, shops in Ottawa, Pembroke, Cambridge, Sudbury, North Bay, Guelph and many more, even in Western Canada. Now although I can't speak for the other shops that are IASCA retail members, I can say that it has helped my shop tremendously in regards to building a stronger customer base and generating new competitors, both SQ and SPL. Being an IASCA retail member and having the package does not guarantee that you will get new customers and new members, you have to use the package while talking to your customers and show them the advantages of being an IASCA member. As I mentioned earlier, it's a team effort and we all have to do our part.
IASCA recognizes the importance of Canada and it's role with the organization. But you have to understand it takes time to get the word out and get the "ball" rolling. We're now going into the second year of this program and things are progressing well, but we can't expect success overnight, I'm sure you understand that.
I hope this helps clarify things for you Tom. You've been a first class judge and supporter of IASCA over the years, it would be a shame to see you move away from that. Once again, if you'd like to call me or email me personally, I'd be glad to fill you in with more detail. Thanks.
Has IASCA done enough to maintain the efforts of those like Jamie Edmundson, Mark Bruno, etc or have they squandered away those valuable resources. I have a whole lot of questions but no answers.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, and I really didn't want to air this laundry on this forum, the situation with Jamie was unfortunately a serious lack of communication between both parties. The contact person for IASCA involved created a situation for Paul Papadeas that he personally has tried to resolve. Unfortunately, phone calls and emails that were made to resolve this situation went unanswered. It is very difficult to resolve an issue when only one party is working to resolve it.
Paul Papadeas has the utmost respect for Jamie and Mark and I know this first hand. Paul and I discussed the whole situation and I can assure you that he feels very badly about the whole thing and would like to talk to Jamie and straighten it out. As for Mark, this is the first time I have been made aware of any situation. If he has a problem with IASCA, I would recommend he calls Paul and voice his concerns.
In regards to IASCA needing to be in retail shops in Canada, you are absolutely right, and that's what they are working towards. It is not just on an IASCA shelf in the USA, it's in many retail shops in Canada as well, shops like mine, shops in Ottawa, Pembroke, Cambridge, Sudbury, North Bay, Guelph and many more, even in Western Canada. Now although I can't speak for the other shops that are IASCA retail members, I can say that it has helped my shop tremendously in regards to building a stronger customer base and generating new competitors, both SQ and SPL. Being an IASCA retail member and having the package does not guarantee that you will get new customers and new members, you have to use the package while talking to your customers and show them the advantages of being an IASCA member. As I mentioned earlier, it's a team effort and we all have to do our part.
IASCA recognizes the importance of Canada and it's role with the organization. But you have to understand it takes time to get the word out and get the "ball" rolling. We're now going into the second year of this program and things are progressing well, but we can't expect success overnight, I'm sure you understand that.
I hope this helps clarify things for you Tom. You've been a first class judge and supporter of IASCA over the years, it would be a shame to see you move away from that. Once again, if you'd like to call me or email me personally, I'd be glad to fill you in with more detail. Thanks.
12-01-2003, 11:40 AM
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Dave, no worries, I won't take it personally... what you're saying is very true.
Lack of attendance in SQ at Audiothunder is what precipitated this decision. For Larry to go out and spend the money on trophies for a class that has only one competitor IS a serious waste of money and I don't blame him for what he's doing from a business point of view, I would do the same if I was in his shoes.
I like the idea of having the competitors pre-register now, for say next year (2005 show), that would give Pro Sho the budget to work with to make certain the SQ event was financially feasible. And you are correct, very few people, SQ or otherwise, take advantage of the pre-registration discounts. I think that's been the age old debate with show promoters, you invest your money and hope they will come out and support, but you won't know until the day of the show.
You know the folks at Pro Sho well enough, do you think that they would be willing to make an investment in mailing out questionnaires to all the past SQ competitors, to see if if they can build up enough competitor registrations to warrant having SQ back at Audiothunder for 2005 ? This approach would give them the input they would need to see if it would be financially feasible and would let the SQ competitors know that their commitment would be needed ahead of time to assure it happening.
Tom, I understand where you're coming from in regards to IASCA having a "booth" at events. Once again, Paul and I have discussed this and as it stands now there is nothing specific planned but we are working on something. In reality, there is really only one major event where IASCA has a booth and that is CES. He sets up a booth at the Finals, but most times he relies on his affiliates to set something up and does his best to support them. Canada is a grey area with IASCA because it falls within the boundaries of IASCA Worldwide and is considered part of IASCA USA. I have been working towards making Canada a seperate affiliate country, like IASCA Mexico, IASCA Colombia and IASCA Britain, but in order to see this come to life requires a financial investment. And believe me when I say Paul realizes the importance of IASCA's presence at Audiothunder, he is well aware of the impact this event has to the car audio industry in Canada.
As far as senior IASCA executive at events such as Audiothunder, this is not a situation where the show is being overlooked to allocate resources elsewhere because they don't feel Canada is not "important" enough, the resources are being used to promote IASCA through CES, to the retailers so when they return home they can the word to their customer base.
You pose the question, "What is IASCA officially doing to promote IASCA to Canadian retailers ?". They are doing exactly the same thing they are doing to promote IASCA to retailers in the U.S. and other countries, attempting to work with key people in each area to " the word" about the value of IASCA retail memberships to retailers and how it can benefit them on the showroom floor, working with manufacturers to promote car audio competitions and how it will assist in generating more sales and through retailers hosting clinics and events, ing the word to the consumer that car audio is fun and competitions are their playground.
The same can be said about all the other organizations, like dB Drag, MECA, USAC and SLAP, they're all working to promote the 12 volt industry. I don't believe any one organization is doing more or less than the other... they're all working hard to get consumers into our respective stores to buy product and go out and compete, because once again, when that happens we all win; consumers, retailers, distributors, manufacturers and organizations.
These are not only my thoughts, but my beliefs. You claimed that if your thoughts are misguided, you'd like to know more about it, so I'm giving you the answers I have. I'm not saying you're wrong, I think you just don't have all the answers to your questions and you don't have someone to answer them, so I'm trying my best to do so. I still don't believe this forum is the place to debate this, so once again, if you'd like me to call you, or if you'd like to call or email me personally I'd be more than happy to answer any other questions you may have.
After all, I'd love to see that Bimmer of yours up at one of my shows again (if you still have it !).
Lack of attendance in SQ at Audiothunder is what precipitated this decision. For Larry to go out and spend the money on trophies for a class that has only one competitor IS a serious waste of money and I don't blame him for what he's doing from a business point of view, I would do the same if I was in his shoes.
I like the idea of having the competitors pre-register now, for say next year (2005 show), that would give Pro Sho the budget to work with to make certain the SQ event was financially feasible. And you are correct, very few people, SQ or otherwise, take advantage of the pre-registration discounts. I think that's been the age old debate with show promoters, you invest your money and hope they will come out and support, but you won't know until the day of the show.
You know the folks at Pro Sho well enough, do you think that they would be willing to make an investment in mailing out questionnaires to all the past SQ competitors, to see if if they can build up enough competitor registrations to warrant having SQ back at Audiothunder for 2005 ? This approach would give them the input they would need to see if it would be financially feasible and would let the SQ competitors know that their commitment would be needed ahead of time to assure it happening.
Tom, I understand where you're coming from in regards to IASCA having a "booth" at events. Once again, Paul and I have discussed this and as it stands now there is nothing specific planned but we are working on something. In reality, there is really only one major event where IASCA has a booth and that is CES. He sets up a booth at the Finals, but most times he relies on his affiliates to set something up and does his best to support them. Canada is a grey area with IASCA because it falls within the boundaries of IASCA Worldwide and is considered part of IASCA USA. I have been working towards making Canada a seperate affiliate country, like IASCA Mexico, IASCA Colombia and IASCA Britain, but in order to see this come to life requires a financial investment. And believe me when I say Paul realizes the importance of IASCA's presence at Audiothunder, he is well aware of the impact this event has to the car audio industry in Canada.
As far as senior IASCA executive at events such as Audiothunder, this is not a situation where the show is being overlooked to allocate resources elsewhere because they don't feel Canada is not "important" enough, the resources are being used to promote IASCA through CES, to the retailers so when they return home they can the word to their customer base.
You pose the question, "What is IASCA officially doing to promote IASCA to Canadian retailers ?". They are doing exactly the same thing they are doing to promote IASCA to retailers in the U.S. and other countries, attempting to work with key people in each area to " the word" about the value of IASCA retail memberships to retailers and how it can benefit them on the showroom floor, working with manufacturers to promote car audio competitions and how it will assist in generating more sales and through retailers hosting clinics and events, ing the word to the consumer that car audio is fun and competitions are their playground.
The same can be said about all the other organizations, like dB Drag, MECA, USAC and SLAP, they're all working to promote the 12 volt industry. I don't believe any one organization is doing more or less than the other... they're all working hard to get consumers into our respective stores to buy product and go out and compete, because once again, when that happens we all win; consumers, retailers, distributors, manufacturers and organizations.
These are not only my thoughts, but my beliefs. You claimed that if your thoughts are misguided, you'd like to know more about it, so I'm giving you the answers I have. I'm not saying you're wrong, I think you just don't have all the answers to your questions and you don't have someone to answer them, so I'm trying my best to do so. I still don't believe this forum is the place to debate this, so once again, if you'd like me to call you, or if you'd like to call or email me personally I'd be more than happy to answer any other questions you may have.
After all, I'd love to see that Bimmer of yours up at one of my shows again (if you still have it !).
12-01-2003, 07:23 PM
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Well, I do love IASCA and when I built my truck, I built it to IASCA specs as I've tried to do with all my other personal cars that I've owned. I have rule books and CD's I thknk going back to the late 80's if my memory serves me right.........I think a lite blue coer was the first one I had. I believe IASCA rules for the most part when followed add value and are a great set if guidelines for car audio. And if I didn't support IASCA, I wouldn't waste my time and energy judging for them or telling people about what they are missing out on by not getting involved.
Moe, who are the key people IASCA is using to " the word" in Canada??
[ December 01, 2003, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
Moe, who are the key people IASCA is using to " the word" in Canada??
[ December 01, 2003, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
12-02-2003, 07:31 AM
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Hey Tom, in Paul's eyes that would be Mark Bruno, myself and James Chevrette out west.
To date we have signed up close to 20 dealers on the IASCA retail membership program and approximately 50 new competitor members . Albeit a "drop in the bucket" compared to how many dealers and competitors there are in Canada, I myself am working within the resources I have to get the word out and I feel it's a good start, considering it's really only my first year doing this.
For 2004, I will not be competing with the Civic as I plan to focus on building IASCA in Canada. If there are any dealers out there who wish to find out more
, feel free to email or call myself, Mark Bruno or James (sorry for the shameless plug!)
[ December 02, 2003, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Moe Sab ]
To date we have signed up close to 20 dealers on the IASCA retail membership program and approximately 50 new competitor members . Albeit a "drop in the bucket" compared to how many dealers and competitors there are in Canada, I myself am working within the resources I have to get the word out and I feel it's a good start, considering it's really only my first year doing this.
For 2004, I will not be competing with the Civic as I plan to focus on building IASCA in Canada. If there are any dealers out there who wish to find out more
, feel free to email or call myself, Mark Bruno or James (sorry for the shameless plug!)[ December 02, 2003, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: Moe Sab ]
12-03-2003, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by dawgsbreakfast:
This is not about belittling IASCA but to me it's about clarifying IASCA's position in Canada. It's talking about IASCA coming to Canada and showing some real value, especially to retailers. IASCA has to take some risk first and help develop Canada, otherwise it's never going to happen. And more importantly and the real telling statement is this..........if IASCA was serious about Canada, they'd know about Canada's biggest IASCA SQ show and be up here kicking butt trying to promote it.............. or should I say save it from oblivion. It seems they either no nothing about the biggest Canadian IASCA SQ show and retailer/ditributor/manufacturer display, or they know about it but Canada is of no importance at this time as resources have been allocated elsewhere. If that's misguided, I'd like to know more about it. I'm always open to being wrong and admitting to it.
Thoughts?????????
This is not about belittling IASCA but to me it's about clarifying IASCA's position in Canada. It's talking about IASCA coming to Canada and showing some real value, especially to retailers. IASCA has to take some risk first and help develop Canada, otherwise it's never going to happen. And more importantly and the real telling statement is this..........if IASCA was serious about Canada, they'd know about Canada's biggest IASCA SQ show and be up here kicking butt trying to promote it.............. or should I say save it from oblivion. It seems they either no nothing about the biggest Canadian IASCA SQ show and retailer/ditributor/manufacturer display, or they know about it but Canada is of no importance at this time as resources have been allocated elsewhere. If that's misguided, I'd like to know more about it. I'm always open to being wrong and admitting to it.
Thoughts?????????
I do realize that there's much more to getting IASCA back than writing a letter but hell, it's a start.
12-03-2003, 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Orion_95:
What got you into car audio? Chances are, it wasn't reading about it on the internet, but by hearing, and seeing local competition, and regular street cars. How are we supposed to gain new interest in this industry, if all people ever see is dirty, gross looking spl vehicles! (sorry to any spl competitors.) Sure, spl is exciting, but imo, there is very little 'class' involved in it, ESPECIALLY compared to sq.
What got you into car audio? Chances are, it wasn't reading about it on the internet, but by hearing, and seeing local competition, and regular street cars. How are we supposed to gain new interest in this industry, if all people ever see is dirty, gross looking spl vehicles! (sorry to any spl competitors.) Sure, spl is exciting, but imo, there is very little 'class' involved in it, ESPECIALLY compared to sq.
I'd much rather look at an install that was built with the kind of skill and creativeness that could only come from an SQ guy, than look at a beat-up van that looks like it was put together by 2 monkeys with a sawzall...and believe me there's installs that look like that....no offence to the SPL guys, I do know how much planning skill it takes to build an SPL car and you guys get to work with a lot more numbers than SQ guys do you poor SOBs, trying to calculate port volume and **** like that.
And I definatly don't want to see some dude wearing a sub-cone on his head, jumping up and down on his van or car like he's on some kind of acid trip just because he hit 150 but managed to blow 3 out of 4 of his subs...I don't find that appealing at all....it's more like an Ottawa vs Toronto hockey game than anything. I like the SQ part of the show....and here's why.... 1.it's not going to give me a migrane before I've even spent a half hour at the show.
2. I can actually listen to music in an SQ car instead of listening to the body panels rattle on my 1991 Chevy Astro as I stand outside and admire the stereo that I have created that I cannot enjoy because it will liquify my bowels if I sit in it.
3. I will not loose my voice trying to talk to the guy standing next to me while looking at an SQ car.
and finnally I like my ability to hear things instead of a constant ringing in my ears that never goes away.
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12-04-2003, 08:08 AM
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" My feeling just from what I've been reading about and hearing from people is that IASCA can get more support from the U.S. than Canada and so their main focus of advertising is going to be there."
Slingshot, I can tell you right from the horse's mouth that this is not the case. Having spoken with Paul Papadeas countless times on this very subject, he has told me that Canada is equally as important, if not more important, than many parts of this continent. Our support has helped him to achieve many things with IASCA and is crucial to the growth of the organization. However, he has to himself very thin in order to support all areas and we are but one "zone" that needs attention. Agreed, he himself was not at Audiothunder talking to the people at Pro Sho and the spectators and competitors about the virtues of IASCA, but nor was he at Steel Valley this year, or at any of the shows in western U.S., like San Diego, Phoenix or Portland. He is trying his best to accomodate everyone, but there's such a thing a ing yourself too thin.
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"I believe, as ignorant on IASCA's part as this is, they believe that Moe and Mark Bruno and Jamie are doing a wonderful job advertising and they need not help out with any promotions for show."
Once again, I can tell you direct from Paul, he believes that we are doing a wonderful job, but he does not believe we don't need any help. I am in contact with Paul, almost on a daily basis, formulating strategies and proposals to promote IASCA on a higher level in Canada. His input is crucial to the success of IASCA in Canada and we are working on a lot of different things for next season. As Mark Bruno said in a thread on the carsound forum, "An empire cannot be built overnight, it takes time", and we have to be patient. It will take time for SQ to be back to where it was a few years ago, but it will be back. I agree that Audiothunder dropping SQ this year is a black eye for SQ competitors, but sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take two steps forward.
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"I was at Audiothunder last year...I did not see a big U.S. name there for the SQ part of the show, or for SPL for that matter....where the hell is Mark Eldridge and Gary Biggs? Are they so busy that they can't find the time to come up to a canadian show?"
No, Mark Eldridge and Gary Biggs were not there, but Larry Chijner and Tyrone Chestnut were. They may not have the "celebrity" status that Mark and Gary do, but they are definitely staunch supporters of IASCA and SQ and carry as much weight. In SPL, there was Scott Harris and Kara Lucius for dB Drag (both of whom also compete in IdBL), and not to toot my own horn, but I was there sporting a rather large IdBL decal on my Civic.
Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to flame you for your comments. I just thought that it would be best to let everyone know some of the info that I have and make you all aware that at this point IASCA is doing as much as it can with what it has, to promote SQ and SPL competition in Canada. As the organization continues to grow, so will IASCA's support in Canada continue to grow. We just have to be patient and offer IASCA the support they need, which I feel that many of us, like yourself, are doing by voicing your ideas, thoughts and concerns on this and other forums.
I believe that the one thing we can all agree on, is that our passion for SQ and SPL competition is certainly not dead ! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
" My feeling just from what I've been reading about and hearing from people is that IASCA can get more support from the U.S. than Canada and so their main focus of advertising is going to be there."
Slingshot, I can tell you right from the horse's mouth that this is not the case. Having spoken with Paul Papadeas countless times on this very subject, he has told me that Canada is equally as important, if not more important, than many parts of this continent. Our support has helped him to achieve many things with IASCA and is crucial to the growth of the organization. However, he has to himself very thin in order to support all areas and we are but one "zone" that needs attention. Agreed, he himself was not at Audiothunder talking to the people at Pro Sho and the spectators and competitors about the virtues of IASCA, but nor was he at Steel Valley this year, or at any of the shows in western U.S., like San Diego, Phoenix or Portland. He is trying his best to accomodate everyone, but there's such a thing a ing yourself too thin.
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"I believe, as ignorant on IASCA's part as this is, they believe that Moe and Mark Bruno and Jamie are doing a wonderful job advertising and they need not help out with any promotions for show."
Once again, I can tell you direct from Paul, he believes that we are doing a wonderful job, but he does not believe we don't need any help. I am in contact with Paul, almost on a daily basis, formulating strategies and proposals to promote IASCA on a higher level in Canada. His input is crucial to the success of IASCA in Canada and we are working on a lot of different things for next season. As Mark Bruno said in a thread on the carsound forum, "An empire cannot be built overnight, it takes time", and we have to be patient. It will take time for SQ to be back to where it was a few years ago, but it will be back. I agree that Audiothunder dropping SQ this year is a black eye for SQ competitors, but sometimes you have to take a step backwards in order to take two steps forward.
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"I was at Audiothunder last year...I did not see a big U.S. name there for the SQ part of the show, or for SPL for that matter....where the hell is Mark Eldridge and Gary Biggs? Are they so busy that they can't find the time to come up to a canadian show?"
No, Mark Eldridge and Gary Biggs were not there, but Larry Chijner and Tyrone Chestnut were. They may not have the "celebrity" status that Mark and Gary do, but they are definitely staunch supporters of IASCA and SQ and carry as much weight. In SPL, there was Scott Harris and Kara Lucius for dB Drag (both of whom also compete in IdBL), and not to toot my own horn, but I was there sporting a rather large IdBL decal on my Civic.
Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to flame you for your comments. I just thought that it would be best to let everyone know some of the info that I have and make you all aware that at this point IASCA is doing as much as it can with what it has, to promote SQ and SPL competition in Canada. As the organization continues to grow, so will IASCA's support in Canada continue to grow. We just have to be patient and offer IASCA the support they need, which I feel that many of us, like yourself, are doing by voicing your ideas, thoughts and concerns on this and other forums.
I believe that the one thing we can all agree on, is that our passion for SQ and SPL competition is certainly not dead ! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
12-09-2003, 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Moe Sab:
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Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to flame you for your comments. I just thought that it would be best to let everyone know some of the info that I have and make you all aware that at this point IASCA is doing as much as it can with what it has, to promote SQ and SPL competition in Canada. As the organization continues to grow, so will IASCA's support in Canada continue to grow. We just have to be patient and offer IASCA the support they need, which I feel that many of us, like yourself, are doing by voicing your ideas, thoughts and concerns on this and other forums.
I believe that the one thing we can all agree on, is that our passion for SQ and SPL competition is certainly not dead ! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not trying to flame you for your comments. I just thought that it would be best to let everyone know some of the info that I have and make you all aware that at this point IASCA is doing as much as it can with what it has, to promote SQ and SPL competition in Canada. As the organization continues to grow, so will IASCA's support in Canada continue to grow. We just have to be patient and offer IASCA the support they need, which I feel that many of us, like yourself, are doing by voicing your ideas, thoughts and concerns on this and other forums.
I believe that the one thing we can all agree on, is that our passion for SQ and SPL competition is certainly not dead ! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Yea it's sad, but I think your right...SQ will bounce back in time.
So, does this mean there's going to be more Huntsville shows Moe? [img]smile.gif[/img] That'd be sweet, I'd rather be up there than in Toronto anyway. The drive up to Huntsville is nice, although long, and I think the competitors get more of a chance to walk around and talk to the other competitors...it's also a lot more relaxed enviroment up there, Toronto is damn hectic. The only downfall is the lack of publicity in huntsville...you don't get thousands of people there like in Toronto, which is probably why your shows are much more relaxed.
Moe, do you think that this Audiothunder issue will affect your Huntsville shows? I mean, I know you put out a lot of money out of your own pocket for those shows and everything but I also know that the Finals Qualification cost you a lot more than you were planning as there were Trophies for all the classes and yet there were more trophies than competitors plus renting the grounds and everything else that comes with holding an event....is that going to affect the number of shows you will be putting on for 2004? I know last year there was quite a few.
