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09-29-2004, 07:00 PM
#2
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Well I'm not a member of that board so I'll post it here. I'm more of an personal type when it comes to events. So the local type is my favorite. I've played in IASCA, UASCi and the DB drag side. All are great fun but I'd have to say the UASCi gets my vote. But not by much they all have strong points that the others don't. Any way my 2 c worth
09-29-2004, 08:00 PM
#3
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dBDrag. Best rules and organization IMO. Seems to be fair and the people involved are great.
-Rick
-Rick
09-30-2004, 06:48 AM
#4
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Iasca
it just doesn't feel right that just anyone can purchase a mic and membership and it can become a show. no judge needed. It was an awesome experience to go to Western Finals and have Ray Choy and Xiphoid go over the cars and point us in the right direction. but i can't believe that it took going to Western Finals to get an official triple point judge to look at it.(at least i didnt have to go to Audio Thunder and get Cameron to look at it...way too far) Mike Bisson is the only guy here i know that was a judge with knowledge of the rules, but it was ugly to go to a show where the rules are bent, and loosened to accomodate categories, rob vo and Mike argued about this and so have others. now your right, it is a great sanction and i really want to get into it but last years change of rules deterred many db draggers. it just seems that selling meters and shows is more important than selling good quality show with a certified judge present. it should be harder for me to grab 1000 for the mic and 200 for the membership and start racking up points.i think that also making a judge present should be a must.
I know of one person(extremely famous) that explained to me that their team might or might not do db drags because of the difference in vision at db drags compared to many years ago.
We switched from db drags to Iasca and i can only hope that when i goto my 2 or 3 Iasca shows, i get a good judge . instead of going to 20 db drags that dont even have a certified judge present. even if it is a single point event. even Cartunes here in bc decided to have a certified judge present just to make it more "Legit", Cartunes show was non sanctioned. but even they realized that having a judge present, is important and a must.
[ September 30, 2004, 08:00 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
it just doesn't feel right that just anyone can purchase a mic and membership and it can become a show. no judge needed. It was an awesome experience to go to Western Finals and have Ray Choy and Xiphoid go over the cars and point us in the right direction. but i can't believe that it took going to Western Finals to get an official triple point judge to look at it.(at least i didnt have to go to Audio Thunder and get Cameron to look at it...way too far) Mike Bisson is the only guy here i know that was a judge with knowledge of the rules, but it was ugly to go to a show where the rules are bent, and loosened to accomodate categories, rob vo and Mike argued about this and so have others. now your right, it is a great sanction and i really want to get into it but last years change of rules deterred many db draggers. it just seems that selling meters and shows is more important than selling good quality show with a certified judge present. it should be harder for me to grab 1000 for the mic and 200 for the membership and start racking up points.i think that also making a judge present should be a must.
I know of one person(extremely famous) that explained to me that their team might or might not do db drags because of the difference in vision at db drags compared to many years ago.
We switched from db drags to Iasca and i can only hope that when i goto my 2 or 3 Iasca shows, i get a good judge . instead of going to 20 db drags that dont even have a certified judge present. even if it is a single point event. even Cartunes here in bc decided to have a certified judge present just to make it more "Legit", Cartunes show was non sanctioned. but even they realized that having a judge present, is important and a must.
[ September 30, 2004, 08:00 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
09-30-2004, 04:43 PM
#5
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i too will leave my vote here...
db Drag
because it focuses on SPL. i love the bass and i want it louder! SQ does interest me, but it's not as "addictive" and costs a lot. plus there are too many rules (even though they make it more fair)
HOWEVER, i would like to make a VERY honorable mention to the "NON-SANCTIONED/OTHER" category,
even though this is only my third year i've been intersted car audio, i must say the the retailers that put on the old skool "sound offs" at their stores were more fun back in the day. they had food, drinks, prizes, games, contests, draws, audience participation, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. it was actually REALLY fun going to a show - either to compete or just watch. ahh, gone are the good ol' days, now it seems like many shows are so mechanical. but i do give credit to some of the sanctioned shows put on by a select few (you know who you are) who do try and add a few of those little extras. KUDOS to you guys.
db Drag
because it focuses on SPL. i love the bass and i want it louder! SQ does interest me, but it's not as "addictive" and costs a lot. plus there are too many rules (even though they make it more fair)
HOWEVER, i would like to make a VERY honorable mention to the "NON-SANCTIONED/OTHER" category,
even though this is only my third year i've been intersted car audio, i must say the the retailers that put on the old skool "sound offs" at their stores were more fun back in the day. they had food, drinks, prizes, games, contests, draws, audience participation, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. it was actually REALLY fun going to a show - either to compete or just watch. ahh, gone are the good ol' days, now it seems like many shows are so mechanical. but i do give credit to some of the sanctioned shows put on by a select few (you know who you are) who do try and add a few of those little extras. KUDOS to you guys.
09-30-2004, 09:00 PM
#6
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Originally posted by Team Shadow:
Iasca
it just doesn't feel right that just anyone can purchase a mic and membership and it can become a show. no judge needed. It was an awesome experience to go to Western Finals and have Ray Choy and Xiphoid go over the cars and point us in the right direction. but i can't believe that it took going to Western Finals to get an official triple point judge to look at it.(at least i didnt have to go to Audio Thunder and get Cameron to look at it...way too far) Mike Bisson is the only guy here i know that was a judge with knowledge of the rules, but it was ugly to go to a show where the rules are bent, and loosened to accomodate categories, rob vo and Mike argued about this and so have others. now your right, it is a great sanction and i really want to get into it but last years change of rules deterred many db draggers. it just seems that selling meters and shows is more important than selling good quality show with a certified judge present. it should be harder for me to grab 1000 for the mic and 200 for the membership and start racking up points.i think that also making a judge present should be a must.
I know of one person(extremely famous) that explained to me that their team might or might not do db drags because of the difference in vision at db drags compared to many years ago.
We switched from db drags to Iasca and i can only hope that when i goto my 2 or 3 Iasca shows, i get a good judge . instead of going to 20 db drags that dont even have a certified judge present. even if it is a single point event. even Cartunes here in bc decided to have a certified judge present just to make it more "Legit", Cartunes show was non sanctioned. but even they realized that having a judge present, is important and a must.
Iasca
it just doesn't feel right that just anyone can purchase a mic and membership and it can become a show. no judge needed. It was an awesome experience to go to Western Finals and have Ray Choy and Xiphoid go over the cars and point us in the right direction. but i can't believe that it took going to Western Finals to get an official triple point judge to look at it.(at least i didnt have to go to Audio Thunder and get Cameron to look at it...way too far) Mike Bisson is the only guy here i know that was a judge with knowledge of the rules, but it was ugly to go to a show where the rules are bent, and loosened to accomodate categories, rob vo and Mike argued about this and so have others. now your right, it is a great sanction and i really want to get into it but last years change of rules deterred many db draggers. it just seems that selling meters and shows is more important than selling good quality show with a certified judge present. it should be harder for me to grab 1000 for the mic and 200 for the membership and start racking up points.i think that also making a judge present should be a must.
I know of one person(extremely famous) that explained to me that their team might or might not do db drags because of the difference in vision at db drags compared to many years ago.
We switched from db drags to Iasca and i can only hope that when i goto my 2 or 3 Iasca shows, i get a good judge . instead of going to 20 db drags that dont even have a certified judge present. even if it is a single point event. even Cartunes here in bc decided to have a certified judge present just to make it more "Legit", Cartunes show was non sanctioned. but even they realized that having a judge present, is important and a must.
sorry for the novel everyone!
[ September 30, 2004, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: Team Obsession ]
09-30-2004, 09:07 PM
#7
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Db Drag gets my vote, head to head competition is wicked and, rules are easily laid out, not many grey areas and scores are very consistent throughout almost anyones termlab [img]smile.gif[/img] not too mention it is very competitive nationally, and its always nice to see some new hardcore competitors out every year [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
10-01-2004, 06:04 AM
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i've read them and learned them, they are good rules. well laid out and took time to plan. so do comps. there is much money to be made either way. but it asked why one would choose db or iasca or usaci, etc, and not a "hey lets argue over it", point of view.
not a lets go back and forth. and get the topic closed off. it asked what is your favorite, and an explaination why, and i just thought
"hey man db drag cause it rocks, woohoo" wasnt what chris was looking for. nor do i think that newbies want to see the poll but rather why anyone would not just join db drag or iasca or usaci or meca. lets calm down and get good reasons as to why you choose db drag and or not iasca. or lets get bad reasons. it did detter dragers. i know of three and thats it(those three are the three biggest i know). but it doesnt matter if im right or wrong or if in your area there are nothing but db draggers, it is excellent that there are. the huge movement in western canada is based out of alberta and that is great. it is doing what it is intented to do. db drags are a great show and iasca is too and james has made his usaci great. they are all great. and i do not see the negative of missing out on one. but i do know this. iasca requires a judge to be present. james can clarify this if i am wrong and i may be. i like that ray chow is a triple point judge and i have mentioned about getting him out here for something next year. obsession you just wrote down exactly was has already been set in motion(very slow but in motion nonetheless). but i have been to way too many show where there is a shop owner and his buddies running the show and it sucked cause the judge was a friend or buddy and not certified, nor did a judge have to be present. western finals was great cause it did have a judge, the visions shows were great cause it did have a judge. there is a pattern that follows, judge there...really damn great show.
Just to let you know that the ugliest show ive been to was an iasca show(rob vo and james can vouch for this) it was a triple and it was a joke. the show was great the judge unfortunately wasnt.
I wasnt at spring break nationals last this year but i have seen video of it. my bro stood out just outside of the lanes to tape the action. and one by one idiots left the lanes crying, mad, stomping, pouting. im sure in ab or even here , the change of rules hasn't affected much. but i guess you didnt see what i saw. nor do you know what i know. it really doesnt matter. i am not guessing nor am i going on statistics. but i clearly can see how many left angry an upset. that day. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] . my brother spoke to many people down there that do not compete anymore cause of the rules change. its all good man, no reson to get upset. but i wasnt guessing or just thinking. i am going by what i observed.
Team Shadow
[ October 01, 2004, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: spl builders wife ]
not a lets go back and forth. and get the topic closed off. it asked what is your favorite, and an explaination why, and i just thought
"hey man db drag cause it rocks, woohoo" wasnt what chris was looking for. nor do i think that newbies want to see the poll but rather why anyone would not just join db drag or iasca or usaci or meca. lets calm down and get good reasons as to why you choose db drag and or not iasca. or lets get bad reasons. it did detter dragers. i know of three and thats it(those three are the three biggest i know). but it doesnt matter if im right or wrong or if in your area there are nothing but db draggers, it is excellent that there are. the huge movement in western canada is based out of alberta and that is great. it is doing what it is intented to do. db drags are a great show and iasca is too and james has made his usaci great. they are all great. and i do not see the negative of missing out on one. but i do know this. iasca requires a judge to be present. james can clarify this if i am wrong and i may be. i like that ray chow is a triple point judge and i have mentioned about getting him out here for something next year. obsession you just wrote down exactly was has already been set in motion(very slow but in motion nonetheless). but i have been to way too many show where there is a shop owner and his buddies running the show and it sucked cause the judge was a friend or buddy and not certified, nor did a judge have to be present. western finals was great cause it did have a judge, the visions shows were great cause it did have a judge. there is a pattern that follows, judge there...really damn great show.
Just to let you know that the ugliest show ive been to was an iasca show(rob vo and james can vouch for this) it was a triple and it was a joke. the show was great the judge unfortunately wasnt.
I wasnt at spring break nationals last this year but i have seen video of it. my bro stood out just outside of the lanes to tape the action. and one by one idiots left the lanes crying, mad, stomping, pouting. im sure in ab or even here , the change of rules hasn't affected much. but i guess you didnt see what i saw. nor do you know what i know. it really doesnt matter. i am not guessing nor am i going on statistics. but i clearly can see how many left angry an upset. that day. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] . my brother spoke to many people down there that do not compete anymore cause of the rules change. its all good man, no reson to get upset. but i wasnt guessing or just thinking. i am going by what i observed.
Team Shadow
[ October 01, 2004, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: spl builders wife ]
10-01-2004, 11:54 AM
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^^^well sounds like, that was either bad sportsmansip at Spring Break, or people just don't know how to read and apply the rules, I was there and didn't see any of that. aswell as you pointed out you can have a bad judge even at a multi-point event, fortunately that usually only happens in other organizations, but nonetheless you get a lazy judge, and it makes the show unenjoyable for everyone. But where you think a show or whatever is lacking, you can always step in i'm sure and make it more enjoyable with your knowledge [img]smile.gif[/img]
10-02-2004, 08:54 PM
#10
the "ac/dc" for team brockett that was priceless [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] (thanks ray)
i believe that preparation (both competitor and show coordinator/judge)are responsible for an enjoyable show.
having fun and being social are the top reasons i have for participating,as it all leads to finals.
it really doesn't matter which format(iasca,dB drag,meca...)it all is the same to me.
both finals were awsome to have the privilage of participating in,brandyn & i had a great time
[img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img] damn,them ribs were so good,i missed my lane call
(yes chris,tip #4)
i will get to meet all of you hardcore db draggers @ finals,and hope to make idbl as well [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] congrats to all participants that have received invitations [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
that was priceless [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] (thanks ray)i believe that preparation (both competitor and show coordinator/judge)are responsible for an enjoyable show.
having fun and being social are the top reasons i have for participating,as it all leads to finals.
it really doesn't matter which format(iasca,dB drag,meca...)it all is the same to me.
both finals were awsome to have the privilage of participating in,brandyn & i had a great time
[img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img] damn,them ribs were so good,i missed my lane call
(yes chris,tip #4)i will get to meet all of you hardcore db draggers @ finals,and hope to make idbl as well [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] congrats to all participants that have received invitations [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img]
