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dB Don 08-13-2010 10:48 AM

Rules questions as you get ready for the regionals?
 
Just wanted to say I am here for any questions you may have if your getting ready for the regionals in your area. I just ask that you ask the questions here with pictures if need be so that if others have the same questions can also get the same help.

With regards to Street Stock if your amp is rated at the proper power for the class your good to go. If its rated for more power than the class allows it can not run in that class.

Now with that said, of the amps that are rated within the proper street stock class we can clamp the outputs if we feel it is doing more than the allowed power. There are alot of amps rated under 1000wrms but they do way way more and you guys know what I speak about. We are not required to clamp but to keep it fair we can do so if we choose.

Also keep in mind you can use any amount of cone area so however many subwoofers you use is up to you as long as their coils are not larger than 2.5". We done away with the "Consumer Grade" definition so make sure you follow the coil size limitation. All other rules are the same.

Music must be used at all certified events, we have been slack with this but we all will tighten up regulating this as it seems more experienced people are hanging out near the beginner classes. I always try to move people up after they have had a year in the entry class.



If you have any Psychlone questions for when you go to regionals to compete in it post here also.

I will be back here monday so hopefully theres a few questions I can take a crack at answering. I will do my best to get you the best answers so you can feel safe going to the shows without problems.

luke99 08-13-2010 12:00 PM

will the 140 rule be implemented in the regionals , if any car does over 140 you cant be in the vehicle ?

dB Don 08-13-2010 12:39 PM

No, I will have just hearing protection for everyone. Not everyone is able to burp outside the vehicle and/or have a podium.

I won't DQ or exclude anyone because of this and if you can operate it from outside we always like to see this. This goes for Bass race and Psychlone also.

We always must protect our hearing especially at shows because this is where you normally get loud demo's, theres alot of ambient noise and you actually get to turn your own system up. Everyday most of us don't turn it up to the ear damaging levels we do at shows.

We respect our ears at the shows while we are in the lanes and anyone who is not in the industry who is watching has that much more respect for what we do.

Good question Luke!

luke99 08-13-2010 12:49 PM

perfect thanks don

n_o_s_21 08-13-2010 04:11 PM

I was under the impression that the steel stamped basket rule still applied to street stock classes, apparantly it's not???

n_o_s_21 08-13-2010 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by dB Don (Post 600396)
No, I will have just hearing protection for everyone. Not everyone is able to burp outside the vehicle and/or have a podium.

I won't DQ or exclude anyone because of this and if you can operate it from outside we always like to see this. This goes for Bass race and Psychlone also.

We always must protect our hearing especially at shows because this is where you normally get loud demo's, theres alot of ambient noise and you actually get to turn your own system up. Everyday most of us don't turn it up to the ear damaging levels we do at shows.

We respect our ears at the shows while we are in the lanes and anyone who is not in the industry who is watching has that much more respect for what we do.

Good question Luke!


isn't this a safety issue outlined in the rules that should be followed though??? Also in the db drag racing creed:..."I will not operate my system in a manner that can result in injury" hearing rules are important. once you lose it, you can't get it back.

Mach5 08-13-2010 04:20 PM

It's a shame the 2.5" VC limitation...

n_o_s_21 08-13-2010 05:17 PM

I agree. there should be a wattage cap, and made strictly for rookies(first year competitors only)

it's so hard to ban certain products when there is so much easily available...

Westec 08-14-2010 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by dB Don (Post 600396)
No, I will have just hearing protection for everyone. Not everyone is able to burp outside the vehicle and/or have a podium.

I won't DQ or exclude anyone because of this and if you can operate it from outside we always like to see this. This goes for Bass race and Psychlone also.

We always must protect our hearing especially at shows because this is where you normally get loud demo's, theres alot of ambient noise and you actually get to turn your own system up. Everyday most of us don't turn it up to the ear damaging levels we do at shows.

We respect our ears at the shows while we are in the lanes and anyone who is not in the industry who is watching has that much more respect for what we do.

Good question Luke!

I agree with this statement, Ray and I always had different views on this. If both competitors have more than 2 years experience I will enforce this.

But my view is - A customer, yes I said customer, should not have to go buy a new radio that supports a remote. I feel a rookie, should not be penalized by the gear he has bought in the past (because he did not know better).

For example, the kid who came out and in Street B in Kamloops, should I DQ him because he sat in the car? He also lost by 8.5 db in the final. Or should we educate him and grow a new competitor?

In the regionals, I do not except many rookie to be in the final, who do not know the rules.

I always ask both competitors if the accept this bending of the rule, but if one of the competitors says "no", the rule is strictly enforced.

luke99 08-14-2010 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by Westec (Post 600544)
I agree with this statement, Ray and I always had different views on this. If both competitors have more than 2 years experience I will enforce this.

But my view is - A customer, yes I said customer, should not have to go buy a new radio that supports a remote. I feel a rookie, should not be penalized by the gear he has bought in the past (because he did not know better).

For example, the kid who came out and in Street B in Kamloops, should I DQ him because he sat in the car? He also lost by 8.5 db in the final. Or should we educate him and grow a new competitor?

In the regionals, I do not except many rookie to be in the final, who do not know the rules.

I always ask both competitors if the accept this bending of the rule, but if one of the competitors says "no", the rule is strictly enforced.


I agreee , I was just asking as im bringing up a buddy this is his first year competing , and just wanted to make sure we didnt have to buy him a remote for his deck , hes running street stock b with 2 12s , 2 batterys and a small pioneer amp

wasted911 08-14-2010 01:13 AM

I run SS NW and I dont yet have a podium. Too many broken de4cks kickin around.

Also, it's still a daily driver. Not to mention Pionmeer AV decks dont come with a remote.

dB Don 08-15-2010 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by n_o_s_21 (Post 600457)
I agree. there should be a wattage cap, and made strictly for rookies(first year competitors only)

it's so hard to ban certain products when there is so much easily available...

There is still the wattage cap, we just done away with the "consumer grade" definition because that is based on opinion and not everyone agrees on what qualifies.
2.5" coil is a good choice for now but I fear manufactures will start making 2.5" competition grade subwoofers just for one class and thats unfortunate. We would just deal with it if/when it happens.

Mach5 08-15-2010 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by dB Don (Post 600836)
There is still the wattage cap, we just done away with the "consumer grade" definition because that is based on opinion and not everyone agrees on what qualifies.
2.5" coil is a good choice for now but I fear manufactures will start making 2.5" competition grade subwoofers just for one class and thats unfortunate. We would just deal with it if/when it happens.

Well you can make a very loud burping sub for street stock with the light weight 2.5" assembly...

n_o_s_21 08-16-2010 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by Mach5 (Post 600860)
Well you can make a very loud burping sub for street stock with the light weight 2.5" assembly...

alas, burps and sweeps are not allowed...must play music...

luke99 08-16-2010 12:28 AM

so as long as the subs coils are under 2.5 its ok ? my friend is brining his car up to regionals and we just wanted to clarify that hes running the low end ascendant subs

dB Don 08-16-2010 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by luke99 (Post 601024)
so as long as the subs coils are under 2.5 its ok ? my friend is brining his car up to regionals and we just wanted to clarify that hes running the low end ascendant subs

ya 2.5" in size or under.

luke99 08-16-2010 12:20 PM

thanks don

dB Don 08-22-2010 11:06 AM

So no more questions thats good to see. Everyone is up to speed.

stryker27 08-22-2010 10:33 PM

I have q's, just don't know what they are yet ;)

DeadlySones 09-14-2010 06:28 PM

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I need to know if I'm street C legal placing this 1/2" pc of resined wood in my cargo area? I plan to secure my amps, battery, enclosure, EQ's and xovers to it. I just want to be sure thats it's not construed as being deadener. :dunno:

Please let me know your thoughts, thanks in advance.

Mach5 09-14-2010 06:31 PM

you could, provided you build as a part of the box

DeadlySones 09-14-2010 06:44 PM

Thanks Murilo.

So, as long as the box is mounted to the board? Or it has to be a permanent part of the box? Either way, I can make that work. :smokin:

luke99 09-14-2010 08:57 PM

I saw this in many vehicles , from what I herd as long as the thickness of the peice isnt thicker then the stock peice its allright

n_o_s_21 09-15-2010 05:49 PM

use it and carpet over it. there is no rule to the amount of sounddeadener anymore. so as long as you keep the oem look, and everything is functional, you should be good.

Mach5 09-15-2010 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by n_o_s_21 (Post 609494)
use it and carpet over it. there is no rule to the amount of sounddeadener anymore. so as long as you keep the oem look, and everything is functional, you should be good.

Will, for SS only.

n_o_s_21 09-15-2010 06:49 PM

I can't read. my bad.

this is why a new rule book should be made every year. not just some random memos being thrown out there on a photo copied page. there are still way too many grey areas imo.

DeadlySones 09-15-2010 07:23 PM

;) Thanks guys.


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