Piecing it together
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Piecing it together
Hey there,
This is my first post on these forums and i'm hoping i can have some questions answered.
I currently have an old alpine deck, 2 X 10" Punch subs, a cheap old-school Sony 80W amp and some cheap kenwood 5 X 1/4" Speakers. The sound quality sucks, theirs no bass at all. So i'm gonna fix this. I roll in an '89 Ford Thunderbird.
My sister got a Panasonic CQ-C7413U deck a while ago, after i rolled her jimmy she couldn't afford insurance so she is not driving and she gave me the deck for my birthday.
I'm planning on purchasing these speakers Rockford Fosgate 6" x 8" Triaxial Speakers ( P1683C ) What i want to know is if that deck is going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
I'm also planning on purchasing a new amp to power my 2 Rockford Fosgate P110S8 10" Subwoofers which are in a ported Bassworx box that i have in my trunk. I have talked to a few people and i understand that to get the best sound out of your subs you need to match the max RMS of the subs with the max RMS of the amp. Therefore, i believe i should be looking for an amp with 300 Watts RMS. But after looking around their is different ways to wire your amp to sub to be able to get the best power out of the amp. What way should i be wiring my subs-2-amp to get the max bass out of my subs. I know i need a low-pass filter in my amp to get that extra bass.
Also, i just have some cheap wires in my car i got for 8$. Do wires make an extreme difference in the sound quality of your stereo? Should I be looking at getting some good wires to run my new system?
In summary;
1. Is that deck going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
2. What type of amp should i be looking at getting to power my subs? (After talking to one guy, he said not to put the rear speakers and subs to the same amp because its going to put the same bass through the speakers as it does through the amp, which is not good, subs are designed for bass, not speakers. Which makes sense)
3. Should i purchase high quality wires to install my new system?
4. In what way should I wire my system to get the max power to my subs from the amp?
I'm trying to understand the logistics of how the system works together as a unit rather than seperate pieces of technology. All input is greatly appreciated, i hope i made my questions clear. Thank you all!
This is my first post on these forums and i'm hoping i can have some questions answered.
I currently have an old alpine deck, 2 X 10" Punch subs, a cheap old-school Sony 80W amp and some cheap kenwood 5 X 1/4" Speakers. The sound quality sucks, theirs no bass at all. So i'm gonna fix this. I roll in an '89 Ford Thunderbird.
My sister got a Panasonic CQ-C7413U deck a while ago, after i rolled her jimmy she couldn't afford insurance so she is not driving and she gave me the deck for my birthday.
I'm planning on purchasing these speakers Rockford Fosgate 6" x 8" Triaxial Speakers ( P1683C ) What i want to know is if that deck is going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
I'm also planning on purchasing a new amp to power my 2 Rockford Fosgate P110S8 10" Subwoofers which are in a ported Bassworx box that i have in my trunk. I have talked to a few people and i understand that to get the best sound out of your subs you need to match the max RMS of the subs with the max RMS of the amp. Therefore, i believe i should be looking for an amp with 300 Watts RMS. But after looking around their is different ways to wire your amp to sub to be able to get the best power out of the amp. What way should i be wiring my subs-2-amp to get the max bass out of my subs. I know i need a low-pass filter in my amp to get that extra bass.
Also, i just have some cheap wires in my car i got for 8$. Do wires make an extreme difference in the sound quality of your stereo? Should I be looking at getting some good wires to run my new system?
In summary;
1. Is that deck going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
2. What type of amp should i be looking at getting to power my subs? (After talking to one guy, he said not to put the rear speakers and subs to the same amp because its going to put the same bass through the speakers as it does through the amp, which is not good, subs are designed for bass, not speakers. Which makes sense)
3. Should i purchase high quality wires to install my new system?
4. In what way should I wire my system to get the max power to my subs from the amp?
I'm trying to understand the logistics of how the system works together as a unit rather than seperate pieces of technology. All input is greatly appreciated, i hope i made my questions clear. Thank you all!
Originally Posted by DaGGeR_2007
In summary;
1. Is that deck going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
2. What type of amp should i be looking at getting to power my subs? (After talking to one guy, he said not to put the rear speakers and subs to the same amp because its going to put the same bass through the speakers as it does through the amp, which is not good, subs are designed for bass, not speakers. Which makes sense)
3. Should i purchase high quality wires to install my new system?
4. In what way should I wire my system to get the max power to my subs from the amp?
I'm trying to understand the logistics of how the system works together as a unit rather than seperate pieces of technology. All input is greatly appreciated, i hope i made my questions clear. Thank you all!
1. Is that deck going to be able to power these speakers good enough that i won't need to run it through an amp to get better sound?
2. What type of amp should i be looking at getting to power my subs? (After talking to one guy, he said not to put the rear speakers and subs to the same amp because its going to put the same bass through the speakers as it does through the amp, which is not good, subs are designed for bass, not speakers. Which makes sense)
3. Should i purchase high quality wires to install my new system?
4. In what way should I wire my system to get the max power to my subs from the amp?
I'm trying to understand the logistics of how the system works together as a unit rather than seperate pieces of technology. All input is greatly appreciated, i hope i made my questions clear. Thank you all!
there are better decks out there for the price. checkout smartass.bz
he has great prices on some clarion stuff.
1 - speakers will almost always sound better on a well tuned 60+rms per channel amp.
2 - no, depends on the amp. a 2 channel amp will but a 4 chann has 2 crossovers for the rears or whatever else you are deciding to run.
basically it has a highpass filter and a lowpass filter for each differing 2 channels.
3 - depending on how much money you want to spend. you could go cheap off the start but will have to replace them if you decide to go big later on.
go with the good stuff from the beginning.
4 - depends on the the impedence of the subs, and what that specific amp can take. remember you can always tune down the amp, its harder to tune up an amp. when you tune down a high powerd amp you are getting a much cleaner signal then you would form a really low powerd amp with the gains cranked.
its like this you could tune down a 1000Wrms amp to put out lets say 500Wrms and it would be a really clean signal compaired to a 500Wmax amp with the gains cranked to the max.
if i missed anything or was incorec on one of the questions someone will restate it lol.
oh whoa an edmonton boy... right on... will your parents let you use their credit cards? if so go to www.smartass.bz and look for some stuff you like. ask him for the cca member discount lol.
there is some nice clarion stuff on that site.
there is some nice clarion stuff on that site.
oh my bad i thought you needed everything. deck included, yeah clarion amps are good for the price but for subs you could go bigger like dd, si, fi, re, um what else, kicker...
but are you looking for one sub or 2?
but are you looking for one sub or 2?
If you are set on purchasing those subs. A nice two channel bridged 4ohm mono as those subs are 8 ohms each would work nice. Something around 300-400Wrms would work great. If you want some info on some PM me.
First question I have for you is...
Is your system properly crossed over? You're probably running your subs in stereo and full range to the rest of your system it sounds like....
Cheers from another Edmontonian!!!
Is your system properly crossed over? You're probably running your subs in stereo and full range to the rest of your system it sounds like....
Cheers from another Edmontonian!!!
with those 2 punch 8ohm subs, there won't be much advantage to a monoblock amp. I agree with smartass, a bridged amp would work well, 4 ohm load. the pioneer 5200T is 380wrms (cea) bridged and is dirt cheap. I use one for each sub.
The same amp for those 6x8's would work well. 125 wms each.
The same amp for those 6x8's would work well. 125 wms each.
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The 2 10" P1's i already own. I was given them as a christmas present. I stood in line for 3 hours at best buy to buy the box and ended up getting kicked out of the store cuz i made a huge fit.... bastards, dont buy from best buy 
... but anyway...
I posted this on a few forums and i have learned that RF Speakers are poorly built and they aren't the greatest out there. Someone recommended a few to me and i think i'm going to purchase Memphis 15-MC57 I want to be able to purchase an amp that can power my 2 10" P1's. Any recommendations? Here's a link to the Pioneer 5200T that Tom Recommended. Seems like a good amp, i could underpower my new system and as i have learned its better to underpower than to just meet the standards.
Edit: Another nice amp Sundown SAX-100.2
... but anyway...I posted this on a few forums and i have learned that RF Speakers are poorly built and they aren't the greatest out there. Someone recommended a few to me and i think i'm going to purchase Memphis 15-MC57 I want to be able to purchase an amp that can power my 2 10" P1's. Any recommendations? Here's a link to the Pioneer 5200T that Tom Recommended. Seems like a good amp, i could underpower my new system and as i have learned its better to underpower than to just meet the standards.
Edit: Another nice amp Sundown SAX-100.2
Last edited by DaGGeR_2007; Feb 27, 2007 at 06:00 PM.
