Staff @ CAFz

iTrader: (5)

My understanding of the void is it's strictly people who work in the industry.

If this is not the case, then i think we should start lettings some others in who have contributed to the scene and forum.


If the rules arent being enforced and were playing favorites, i have a couple friends that would like to be in here too including MODERATION staff of this forum who are far more active than 90% of the void members and "give" back.

I still dont understand exactly why the void exists. Theres all these industry guys in here and the most active thread is about no one talking.

Why keep it? Just a thought....

MR2NR

iTrader: (66)

I'm sure more topics can pop up for us to beyatch about. I'll post one now.

Dukk

For heaven's sake.. It was a fricking question.. I was curious as I have messaged directly with Adam in the past, I knew what he was doing back then, and I had heard there was contemplation of a change.

Then he shows up after a long absense, seems to have put off audio for speed but now has access to The Void.

Then other members asked me what was up so I posted the question. A simple answer would have ended "the inquisition" but Adam chose to give a non-answer. It says right in the rules that one may have to provide proof to be allowed access in here. Hell, for the amount of 'consultation' that I receive from my brother and the input he has given me, he should be allowed in here as well. If people want to be cryptic and indirect then prepare to be scrutinized.

It took some fair convincing for The Void to reappear after the changeover. I'm certainly feeling I wasted my time. If I want to deal with uptight queens then I'll hang around on Carsound more. Rick - do what you feel with The Void, I'm tired of campaigning for it. I'd rather deal with the knuckledraggers in General SPL..

Staff @ CAFz

iTrader: (5)

Well, there will be a post for discussion in the private area.

Im very pleased with the staff of the site, so when they speak i listen (except jordy cause he usually touches my leg as he talks)... but aside from that.

Everyone needs to be on the same page, clearly we're all not, that meaning staff and void users.

For the sake of the void i discuss this openly, but really i see no purpose to the void other than to toot ones horns and say im in the industry..... Who cares? If youre not giving back to the forum via posts (this is what its all about) then again, who cares if youre in the industry? Are you just here to push your product or shop (aka Pioneer Guy who is no longer a member)....

The void is a great idea, Dukk and others did fight to keep it but again, im not seeing the point.

MR2NR

iTrader: (66)

The point of the void is simple. The general public has no need to know about the inner workings of how this industry turns. If we want to banter back and forth about cost of an item, how the e-tailer affects us etc., we need a shelter from the consumer at the same time as to keep them from drawing their own conclusions. This is no different that a area on a site that the moderator's or administrators can discuss things away from the balance of the members of the site. It needs to stay and it needs to have it's members status verified.

Staff @ CAFz

iTrader: (5)

But there is no updates, there is no inner workings that the general public doesn’t need to know about.... i don’t see one thing, maybe one of the void members can point out from the below 11 listed threads what needs to be kept a secret? These 11 are since wade sold the site...aprox 0.22 posts a day (just for the stats people)

*Needle dropping*
Cursed US E-tailers
We're bringing in this new high end stuff
WTF is the new eclips 1000 made by JVC
Event Listing.
moving on.......
What Compact-Performance Enthusiasts Drive and Modify
Katzkin
Honda Ipod interface
Its nice to be allowed back in (Multi-page thread 1 2)
Who is Rich ( New CCA owner?)

The mod section is heavily trafficked and used, 10 fold what the void is at a fraction of the members, one cant compare the two. We use that area to discuss what will happen with forums and the members, upgrades, advancements, mod structure, who’s been bad and who’s getting banned.
The private staff section is the main hub of what keeps this board functioning properly.

The void, again, drawing my conclusion from what I’ve seen does nothing. I mean, sure its cool; is it needed though?

To add to that, we give to a user access just because they’re in the business, but don’t contribute at all. It should be a privilege at least to be in here, NOT a right like some shops and users believe it is.

Anyways, we will see what happens, your feelings have been taken into consideration MR2NR, and maybe what is needed is strict rules for access. My comments are not solely directed at you but are directed at some of the void members.

Member verification is key if its going to stay. At worst it will become a VENDOR ONLY section or maybe nothing, I don’t know. Its being discussed and it will be done by vote by all the staff, but changes are coming to the structure and inner workings.

MR2NR

iTrader: (66)

Well, take for example the thread I started. If we dealers and industry members who take a active role in protecting our investment, starteded openly talking about the US e-tailers and how they are affecting our business, how many of the consumers would say to themselves, hey, maybe I should start looking for deals at the US e-tailer.

Next the Eclipse made by JVC (or whomever), if I have a customer that is 100% pro Eclipse and 100% anti JVC, now he has a real conundrum to face. Does the consumer need to know this, not at all. Is it something that we industry people can bash around, sure it is.

Another new thread today is the changing of the Canadian marketplace. Surely there are more people aware of this than I am by now as they may have received the e-mail as well. For those that do not know what I am talking about, it is simple. Korbon Trading after 29 years is shutting down, why, because the Canadian marketplace is changing. We need to do our work now to protect our investments in our businesses. For those industry people that have zero vested interest in a business and are an employee only, well your opinions on that are worthless.

Dukk

Since you are a store owner and that makes you all-knowing, how about you lay out just exactly what you think you could hope to do to change the direction the industry is going?

Oh yeah... you're getting out.. I guess that's the big plan.. next..

Oh, does your owner-nipotence tell you exactly why Ken is shutting it down or, well, of course it does...

Does the record only have the two songs?

MR2NR

iTrader: (66)

Geez Paul, I guess you told me..... Put your money where your cookie trap is dude. Put your $300,000.00 out, go into a car audio business for yourself and derive your sole source of income from it. Until then, speculate all you want.

So Paul, why was I getting out then? Your crystal ball works so good at knowing everything about me and this industry as it affects the indies.

Ken made a business decision that he felt was in his companies best interest. I have no issues with that at all. I will miss doing business with Korbon. Is it a precursor of things to come, perhaps it is as the industry is changing every day. I as a indipendent need to change with it.

At least my record does not have a scratch on it that just goes over and over and over like a whiny woman that we all love to tune out.

PEI330Ci

Paul,

Thank you for further explaining the nature of your question. I didn't realize that access to this part of the forum was so restricted. I can now understand the frustration that my presence here after ''disapearing'' for such a long time would cause.

Everyone,

With the state that the industry is in right now, I think having MORE people in here to talk, vent, express views would be benificial. While a bean counter at Gemsen, for example, may not know jack about installing an amplifier, I bet this person could give their perspective on market trends that everyone could take something from. There needs to be more diversity in the industry in general to make things more exciting. Things need to be fun, right from the bean counter's office to the installers bay to get the attention of the buying public. (From creative financing/giveaways to putting a fake snake inside someone's plexiglass window'd sub box )

I say lets get Chad in here and see how loud he can scream without an SPL mic...

The fun needs to come back...even in here!

Adam