Amp for 2 10" Alpine Types S's or 2 10" Type R's
 

Hey guys, im definately a newbie if theres ever been one. Ive been reading through topics for the past couple days now and figured id participate. Ive had my truck for around 5 months now which is a 2004 Silverado Reg Cab and its time to build my system that ive been waiting for. Now im just wondering what kind of amp and how powerful i will need to run either 2 10" Type S's or 2 10" Type R's. Im really undecided about which subs i want to put in my truck but am impressed with the alpines. Ive heard the Type E's arent bad either. Im not looking for something insanely crazy but in the area of amps i know nothing. Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks Guys

Steve

Had a type E when I was like 16 and it sounded like poo. Type s is not much better. The typer R is a decent speaker. Look for an amp that puts out about 700-1000w at the impedance required.

I'd figure out how much room you are going to dedicate to your enclosures first.
Then pick your subs and amp accordingly.

If he is getting 2 type r 10's he will need a 1000w amp....I usesd a sx650.1(kicker) on 2 of them and it wasnt even close to enough(Amp produced ~750w RMS).
If you are going type S's a 600w RMS amp will be fine.

Thanks for the replys guys. So for 2 10" Type S's a 600 Watt amp would be sufficient and for 2 Type R's a 1000 Watt amp would do the job. As you all know there is limited space behind the seats of my truck because its a regular cab. Ive been told 12's wont even fit which is why im looking into 10's. Ill be doing some measuring shortly, basically for depth because that is what the determining factor will be. Im building my own custom enclosures and depending on the subs i get, to the specific volume needed. More suggestions are welcome. Thanks again.

I'd go type r. For the price difference you will really thank yourself the first time rather than wondering what could have been...I have heard both type s's and type r's in regular cab sealed setups and been way more impressed with the r's.

Old R's pound sealed new R's suck sealed.
Watch that.

We try to help out the "newb's" as much as possible here. :)

Unfortunately there are literaly thousands of amps made that would do the job just fine. You may find a great deal on your future sub/s and this alone may limit your choices when impedence matching.
Other than that you need to let us know where you will be purchasing the amp (retail store may limit brands to what is in your surroundings, or are you internet shopping as well and soes it need to be an authorized place?).
Space may be limited so what are the physical dimensions you're working with? And after all that and you know how much power you need you'll have to set a price point.

Too bad you didn't have and extended cab that would give you a decent amount of room for fiberglass enclousures. I remember doing 2 type s 10's with a SX650.1 last fall and It sounded awesome. Customer was really happy with the system.

Thanks again guys, i appreciate the help. The dimensions for my enclosures are yet to be determined. A ported enclosure is unfortunately not an option because i do not have the space to work with in order to accomodate the larger volume needed. I only wanted a regular cab short box when i bought my truck. They look much better lowered with 20's which will be happening in the future to mine, and are pretty quick with the V8. Im still undecided on the subs but i havent heard anything before about the Type R's not performing well in a sealed enclosure, but i am fairly new at this. Im not looking for anything too crazy but if it is worth the extra money for the difference in the Type R's then id be willing to spend it. As far as brands for amps go, i have access to and am willing to purchase any brand as i have no loyalties. I wouldnt mind mating an alpine amp with alpine subs but im more concerned about how big of an amp i will need. Oh ya and price is an issue, only 17 years old and working hard to afford what i have. Thanks guys.

Two of these http://cgi.ebay.com/Image-Dynamics-O...QQcmdZViewItem
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http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2289
Put in your choice of sealed box between 0.35ft^3 to 0.62ft^3
Thats all I'm going to say.

Im totally unfamiliar with the brands of those subs and amp, i dont really know to much. I most likely wont be buying off e bay just because ive never tried it and would rather stay away from it. Thanks for the suggestion.

Is www.ikesound.com a Canadian website?

That ebay listing comes straight from Image Dynamics.
But okay.

I didnt mean that rudly, i just have no experience with ebay at all. Sorry if it sounded rude. :thumbsup:

Nope not rude.
My first equipment came from local stereo shops. Once I started pricing things online I quickly realized how much money I could save. I've been buying online for years now and enjoy changing equipment like underwear.

I am just trying to help you skip one expensive step into car audio.

Wow you must have great hearing! I mean no one outside of Image Dynamics has received/tested/auditioned these yet so you must have heard them playing inside Image Dynamics from outside the building! That's some great ears you have! :appl:

Rules are!
No recomends unless you've heard that particular model, in that particular enclosure, running off that particular amp, and in the same model vehicle.

Okay got it.:stroke:

No the rules are "How can any educated person recommend a driver that he, nor anyone else for that matter, has heard?" Period.

It is nothing like any of the other ID drivers and it has differences from the ED O-Series also so what exactly are you basing your opinion on then? I'll answer that for you Sunshine: NOTHING!

kthanksbye.

Oh, and if he wanted an ED O-Series he might as well spend the tiny bit more on the real thing from ED and get a 3yr warranty compared to the 90 day deal on that Ebay unit.

heres an idea! buy my 2 alpine type-r 12's!

pms the key :D

I'll bet the ID engineers just threw together this driver, slapped there name on it, didn't do an quality assurance testing or performance testing to make sure it lives up to the ID's flawless reputation.
:cheeky4:
education < experience
okay thundercloud

Oh so because it's from ID it's the best choice? That's funny considering the thread starter still doesn't know how much depth he has to work with and considering the vehicle that driver might not even fit. Oh, and he also never listed what type of material he listens to on a regular basis OR what he wishes to achieve with this audio system. Resonant Engineering has made solid, excellent performing drivers since the start also. Why don't you tell him to buy anything from them also?
If you were to ask someone from ID they would tell you that this driver they have put together is not in the same league as the current IDQ in terms of SQ but it will outperform it down low in overall output. The correct option depends on the listener.

I'm not trying to be mean to you but seriously; how can you recommend a driver for this application that has not even been auditioned by anyone for an application that you know nothing about?
Nothing against ID products but a driver from ID isn't always the best choice for an install.

I get
You miss read my posts
You thought I said best choice
Nope I said"Two of these http://cgi.ebay.com/Image-Dynamics-O...cmdZV iewItem
Powered by this.
http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2289
Put in your choice of sealed box between 0.35ft^3 to 0.62ft^3
Thats all I'm going to say."

:thumbsdow

Alright, well ive just arrived home from doing some more shopping. Went to a few local shops and checked out many more possible options. I was impressed with the 10" JBL GTO1002D, especially because it has a low mounting depth and it is a nice sounding sub at a reasonable price. Any opinions on it?. I may just end up going with one fairly powerful 10" instead of two, im really undecided at this point. Anyone have any experience with the above listed sub. Any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks guys

I didn't misread anything. I read that you recommended a driver that you have never heard (nor anyone else for that matter) and did so only on the judgement of your personal feelings for the manufacturer. You made that recommendation on zero knowledge of the driver or the intended install.
Does that really sound like a good judgement call?

Sorry 04silvltr3, I have no experience with that JBL driver.
If you are building the enclosure yourself I would suggest taking the measurements now and seeing how deep of a driver you can fit in there. Also decide what size and how many you wish to use. What kind of music will you be playing and how loud do you wish it to get? Is great sound quality your goal or do yuo just want it to be as loud as possible? How much power will you be running? What's your budget?

A driver that may sound good for someone else in their install may be completely off to you in yours. More variables are needed to give you a decent list of choices for your install. That's why you don't have a huge list of choices on here already and without those questions answered you're not going to get any beneficial answers.

What kind of music will you be playing and how loud do you wish it to get?

Pretty much every kind of music there is. I listen to all kinds of different stuff so something that is good all around is what im looking for. I want it loud, not crazy or anything but i do want a solid punch from whatever i end up getting.

Is great sound quality your goal or do yuo just want it to be as loud as possible?

Its basically a toss up. I want it loud but i also want good sound quality, but ill sacrafice a little quality to get a harder hit.

How much power will you be running?

The amount of power will depend on the sub(s) i get. Somewhere between 600-1000W if thats not too general.

What your budget?

Budget is fairly low. Im not looking to get into something very pricey, just soemthing decent that will get the job done. I wouldnt mind going with a solid single 10' and an amp with sufficient power to push it.

Hope this helps. Thanks for your time man!

Your best bet is to work this problem from the end and not the start. Let's say that I work this problem from the start as you are going about it.

(1) pick and buy sub
(2) pick and buy amp to match sub
(3) find out that they have no canadian warranty as they were bought on line
(4) rebuy when the things break as there is no warranty in Canada.
(5) build box to fit sub
(6) put box behind seat
(7) box does not fit so slide seat all the way forward
(8) box now fits
(9) try and sit down and your 6'0 will not fit
(10) throw it all out and start again

What you MUST do is simple

(1) put the seat into the postition that you are comfortable with
(2) cut a cardboard template for behind seat (tells max mounting depth)
(3) allow space infront of sub so surround does not smack on back of seat
(4) recut cardboard to allow for this
(5) measure the internal volume of the box based on 3/4" mdf
(6) choose sub to match the airspace available
(7) choose amp to match the sub
(8) purchase both from a authorized Canadian dealer
(9) know that the system is properly matched together
(10) sit back and enjoy

A good salesperson or installer will recommend things that they are familiar with or know that will work for the task at hand. I want my customers to buy something once, properly, the first time rather than buying the deal. You need to figure out if you want the deal or the system, then decide on which way you want to build the system, the right way or the wrong way. Ball is back in your court.

^^^^^Getting both the deal and the system can easily be achieved. That's one of the best parts of having an internet forum: so you don't have to pick which of the shops in the area that you think are trustworthy. And so many of them are not.
Can we please not turn this into another "you have to buy authorized" or "support Canadian retailer's" thread. It's been done to pieces already.

04silvltr3 - good answers so far. Still need those measurements though as they really are quite important to narrow down the choices.

Old fan of JBL but can't recomend that subwoofer. Know one I know uses JBL GTO series so I can't say.:dunno:

Whole host of ID buddies though.:smilie_da

Rule nothing out, try everything, its great!

MR2NR thanks for that post, that sounds like a smart way to set up a system. You make an especially good point because im 6'2, although i do not keep my seat back all the way. The JBL has a shallow mounting depth compared to say a Rockford P3 which is why i think that might be a good choice. I have to work all weekend until sunday so i will be doing the measurements then. Thanks for all your help.:thumbsup:

Alrite guys update. Today the major measuring for the box will be done. I was at East Hamilton Radio yesterday and i perused a ton of different sub and amp combos. Right now i am leaning towards 2 Alpine 10' Type S subs paired with an Alpine MRPM650 amp. Though i have not done any measuring yet, i was told by many that these would fit in a truck box without any problems. Either way i will be building my own box to achieve the fit i want. Any opinions on this sub and amp combo, id appreciate it. Thanks guys.:)

My $.02 worth.....

If you have been in to EHR, you have now seen the most expensive place in the west GTA to get your stuff....they do nice work, but guess who pays for all the advertising they do?? BTW, there's nothing wrong with the equipment you've mentioned, I just think there are alternatives available that will work as well or better that will not hurt your wallet quite as much....:dunno:

I would suggest you take a trip over to Burlington Radioactive on Harvester Rd. and talk to Lee about your situation. He can do a great job and save you a lot of coin....check out the comparison ads on the wall and you'll see what I mean....tell him you heard about his shop here and you'll do even better...:smilie_da

HTH

Yea, i realize that EHR is not the cheapest place to buy, but it is a great place to check out all kinds of nice stuff. I shop around alot before i end up buying anything, its just the way ive always been. I appreciate your advice. Does saving coin mean switching out of the alpine stuff. Ive become slightly partial to the apline equipment after hearing the Type S's. I live by Niagara Falls so Burlington is around an hour drive, no big deal but i wouldnt know what im looking for even if i went there. Thanks

Lee doesn't carry Alpine, but he does carry RF, Clarion, Kenwood and Focal, among others.

I've always found Alpine seems to cost more than comparable equipment from other brands, same as Kicker...it may just be the distributor here in Canada, but the increase in price from the US to Canada for some brands is out of line, IMHO.

The key point here is to find the products that sound good to your ears, and also give good value for the $$$. Most authorized dealers will offer comparable warranties, and after that it comes down to service. I recommend Lee because I have known him for many years, he has dealt honorably with myself and the people I have brought to his shop, and his stuff works as he says it will.

HTH

I have no experience with any of those brands, i guess because im fairly new to this scene. I would like to make a choice that gets me good equipment for a price that isnt too high. Id rather not spend more than around $650 but i also dont want something that i will want to upgrade in a short time, so i guess i may end up spending more. Thanks again.

That much $$ will get you something that sounds good and will not need to be replaced for a long time....:smokin:

One thing to keep in mind when you are starting out at this obsession is to buy quality from the start. That way even when you do decide to add to your system you can keep using the stuff you already own, but change how you are using it.

All the brands mentioned here have been used by lots of people over long time frames, each has it's strengths and weaknesses, and as long as the system in your vehicle sounds good to you, don't worry too much about other people's opinions.

Easiest way to do comparison shopping for audio is to take a CD of music you've heard on a few different systems, both home and car, and take the time to listen to it in a few different stores on a variety of brand names.

HTH

Thanks for that information. Im trying to buy something fairly good the first time and even though it may cost me more it will save me money in the long run. At EHR i got a quote for 2 Apline 10" Type S's with the MRPM650 Amp as well as the wiring needed for $730 plus tax. This is slightly out of my price range. I was shopping on a website called onlinecarstereo.com. It has exceptional prices and is out of the United States. It would end up being around $600 Canadian for the same thing from EHR but the $600 is including taxes and exhange, which fits right into my price range. However the only thing i am slightly worried about is that the warranty on the products is through onlinecarstereo.com and not the manufacturer. Has anyone had any experience with a similar situation or with the website for that matter? Thanks for all the help. :smilie_da

If you're new to car audio, and you want to try doing it yourself, I would suggest you get someone to help you build the box. A box for a regular cab P/U is a challenge for anyone.

Just keep in mind that the after-sales support and service will vary depending on how and where you buy your stuff....in car audio, like everywhere else, you get what you pay for.:smokin:

HTH

Thanks for the advice. My dad has worked with wood his entire life building just about anything you can think of, so for building a box he can fab just about anything we need. I understand that service is an important part but for an extra $250 it doesnt seem worth it to me to buy from a shop around here. Still confused as of where i should buy.