Autotek SS1500.1D or Crunch GP2500D ?
 

Which one is better , the autotek or the crunch ?

They are pretty much the same board, the autotek has a higher fuse rating and is rated for 1500 @1 and the crunch is rated for 1250 @1.

So how will the Crunch amp be too much for my Premier sub on 1 ohm ??? My subs RMS is 1000W RMS so how will 1250 blow it up ? Kinda Confused ?

Its 1250 rms not 1250 maxx.

Doesnt RMS matter and Peak is only a burst of sound ... so overpowering the Premier sub @ 1 ohm by 20% wont blow it up .... Then whats the point of looking at the amp as 2500 MAX when we know it can only handle 1250 RMS which is not even enough for these 2 Subs ???

lol please define what a "burst of sound" is.

Its when u really turn it up for a while , i want 2000RMS nominal

hahahaahahahah

So u want to make fun of me rather then help me ? Now i dont get it some people tell me Peak Power is crap RMS is the real thing now ur making fun of me because im saying Peak power is Crap ??? The only thing confusing is that Jo-Psyko has a 4000 RMS Memphis amp and hes over powering his subs by 2000 watts and if i overpower mine by 250 RMS its going to blow them ??????

Who said that you are going to blow anything up? I just read this thread twice and still don't see it?:stroke:

More watts won't help if the other stuff is overlooked (bad box etc). Google 'subwoofer efficiency vs power handling'. 1250W won't blow up a 1000W woofer, turn it down if you hear distortion, it's that simple. Some speakers that are rated to handle 1000W, people are putting 3000W on them and it takes it just fine. Some woofers are highly underrated, others highly overrated.

It was in my old thread , he didnt say it blow them up but it will be too much power to damage them look at this thread http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/onli...u-quickly.html

i had 1000rms on a kicker CVR(rated at 400rms) and it loved it haha lasted a few months then i sold it and the owner says it still works great

So How big should a Dual Ported box be for 2 Premier subs and how many hertz is good to get great lows and highs ? Btw how much will it cost ? Dimensions too ? Because u all have said it all depends on the box

Post the model number for the subs that you have and we can look up the specs and box recommendations. As far as overpowering a sub goes I personally like to run an amp close to double the subs RMS rating of the sub, but there are correct and incorrect ways of doing this. Headroom can be a very good thing.

I did say it was a little too much power for the SUB not subs, due to the fact i have ran these subs before and they are overrated. And i also said i have had 3500 watts to 1 12 premier before and it was fine it is all in your dialing. When someone asks if a 1000 watt sub can handle 1500 watts i automatically say no because many people do not know how to properly dial in their amps.

Pioneer does not Over-rate their products i have been using them for sometime and they do really get serious loud ... i used to have Premier SPL series but some guy made a good offer for the two so sold it to him biggest mistake done by me lol .... But the new premier is made the same but built in compression quality , i do believe they produce 1000 RMS .

Im telling you if you put 2000 rms on them in a box even bigger then 3 cubes their toast. And if you know so much about the subs, why in the hell are you asking for advice on them? Their subs are all over rated other then the TS-W5102spl and 8102spl, i didnt say they were garbage, just that their loudspeakers are overrated.

The subwoofer model is Premier TS-W3001D4 and these are the specs

* Sensitivity: 89 dB
* RMS Power Range : 1000 Watts
* Peak Power Handling: 3000 Watts
* Impedance: Dual 4 Ohm
* Low Frequency response: 18 Hz
* High Frequency Response: 700 Hz
* Diameter: 12 Inch
* Premier 12" Champion Series PRO Subwoofers
* Powerful design to deliver deep, impactful bass
* IMPP Cone with Carbon Fiber/Glass Fiber Reinforcement
* Air Suspension System allows use in extremely small enclosures
* Wide-Roll, 3-Layer Fiber Woven Aramid Radial with Honeycomb Cloth Surround
* Dual 4-Layer, Long Voice Coil
* Copper Voice Coil
* Phenol Resin Coated Glass Cloth Voice Coil Bobbin
* Projected Pole Yoke with Vented Pole
* Double Stacked (110oz) Magnet Construction
* Aluminum Die-Cast Rigid Chassis Basket
* 1-Piece Rubber Gasket
* Integrated Single-Sided Silver Compression Wire Terminals
* Recommended Enclosure: 0.50 ~ 1.0 Cubic Feet
* Weight: 28lbs
* Priced per speaker

And Crunch subs arent over-rated , Crunch subs say 600RMS when there 300RMS for a person who has crunch subs u shouldnt be bad mouthing Premiers

You know these subs are overrated, they are more like underated, these not only have put higher numbers up then the premiers but have withstood more abuse then my premiers also. You can tell team maxxsonics that and team livewire for running 3000 rms to a pair and the highest drive by run using these 60 dollar subs. And if they are over rated how can i run 1250 rms to them when they are rated for 500 a piece , turn all my gains up all the way in a 5 cu.ft box and still enjoy music all day? You need to stop with all the damn questions if you have all the answers, buy all the damn subs youve been asking about and the mtx amp and the crunch amp and the autotek amp and why not the whole damn industry, and then youll be happy, i gave you more then enough info on maxxsonics products. And if you dont like them why are you considering buying an amp from them if they are overated and garbage...Done.

because i already ordered the amp and after that i found out it was 2500 max @ 1 ohm and not RMS

ok i can get away with running that sub off that amp because im always paying attention to whats going on with the sub. and i dont over drive it to death. also while i butrp at 146db my normal music settings only hit around 140db the sub isnt getting all of that power all the time... though there is the occasion when i smell the voice coils warming up pretty good hahaha

Do Crunch amps send alot of Distortion to your subs r1d1n5p1nn3r5 ?
And i asked somebody of Hifonics Sampson amp and they were laughing at me , they were like why dont you get 2 Sampsons for 2 L7's ??? I was confused ? hahahaaa

Btw how much can i sell the Crunch amp here in Canada for ?

No my amps do not send lots of distortion to my subs. It has great signal to my subs. The Sampson will be way to powerful for your subs. it is rated 8000@1 and you are looking at, at least 1600 $ for it. And as for the person who laughed obviously dont know what they are talking about an L7 wouldnt even handle its 4 ohm rating. About selling it many people in canada dont even know what maxxsonics let alone crunch is, so you might get real bad offers for it. How much did you pay for it.

I paid 240 including shipping with one year warranty .

And can u please tell me one more thing .... How loud will my system get with this amp and 2 Premier subs put in the right box inside a E39 , like will it really shake the block or no ???

Btw any of you have a say on Alpine Type X subwoofer ? SWX-1243D - Alpine 12 Type X

I have this horrible habit of bowing those Pioneer subs up. I've tried sealed, ported, over-sized, undersized boxes. I've used a PDX 1.1000 on one, a Kaption 1000D on one, I've tried 1700 watt DD on two...They always blow up! I only keep them in stock to replace them for customers.

So what are you trying to say ???

Are these new Premier subs better or the old SPL series because this guy is selling it to me for 250 a pair but hes gonna send it from USA , is it safe in case there not in good condition he says there in mint condition but i dont know if its safe to buy them or Should i just stick with the new Series and forget the SPL ?

Get something else.

You obviously dont know what you are doing if you have blown them up on 1000 watts, i have had one on 3500 for a whole year with no problems, sold it to a friend and it still works fine. And king kong the type x is not as effecient as the premier subs and is more of an sq sub.

im sorry but how the hell did u think u where getting a 2500rms amp for $240 with a 1 year warranty?? lol

ITs not 2500RMS its 1250RMS

I was also getting a Kicker ZXI750.1 for 190 brand new i know some people thats why i get cheap

Btw how long does it take to break open you new subs because i heard when their new there pretty stiff ?

i know its not 2500rms, it was eihter this thread or a different one that u started(im to lazy to check lol) and u said u thought it was 2000+rms as u have or getting 2 of tehse 1000rms subs

I've been installing for 19 years. I've got trophies to prove that I know what I'm doing. What have you got?

My point was that those subs are just junk! I would take an MTX, Type X, or Atomic over Premier 3001's any day of the week. I am running DD 9110's (800 watts rms) in my car right now with 2400 watts.

At our last show, we plugged a 10" Premier into the wall. It lasted less than 3 seconds. The MTX bottom line product lasted almost 3 minutes. That says a lot about them now doesn't it?

What kind of amp did you have running that sub with 3500 watts? Pyramid? or some other Maxxsonics type of product?

I have trophies to, that dont mean nothing. And you have been installing for 19 years? Cant teach an old dog new tricks, keep installing 5 disc cd changers to stock decks and run all loudspeakers in sealed enclosures. The only MTX worth my time is a 9500 series, type x is a paper weight when it comes to spl or power, and i have seen even atomics last 5 seconds on a wall socket. My ground pounders have lasted longer on a wall socket longer then the atomics. Does that make them better? Not even close. I never have run pyramid before, nor have i worked with it, never will. Maxxsonics? what bad do you have to say about their products? For the PRICE of any of their products they beat any other brand out there performance wise. As for the amp, I ran an Ultimate T3 1000d amp @ 2ohms mono i know it wasnt exactly 3500 but substantial power enough to a 100 $ pioneer sub for a whole year.

http://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/Ultimate_T3-1000D/

What are you 12? Grow up!