well, the thing is, none of this is new. all of this has been considered, done, tried and retried.

how is buying hot dog and fries a problem? stuff is not free.

again, trophies are not free either, actually they are up there in cost. you want a trophy? sure, no problem. the entry fee will be $40 for a single point local show.......I bet you less people are gonna show up in total than the trophies to cover a single category. This has been proven to be true over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Find a sponsor you might say......lol yep, tried, everyone wants something in return. You can promise them a TON of people but when only 15 guys show up you look like an idiot.

When it comes to entry fees there must be a balance. What I have learnt from all the years of going to and setting up events is this - cheap shows will only bring out those who want to compete (don't care about trophies, prizes, give aways and other tangibles). But expensive shows will only bring out those who can afford it, minus the ones who can afford it but dont want to lose. And in the end if you get over 20 guys that is a good turn out.

The process is timely, there is no other way around it. Nascar race is timely, yet all they do is make a left turn for like 300 laps. I dont get it if you ask me, yet the stands are packed.

Online broadcasts have been tried and have been done. Do you think if people do not want to loose to someone in person they wont mind loosing to someone over the internet???? lol dude, it's the same thing. This hasnt/doesnt and probably wont ever bring more guys out......aside from the ones already competing. Db Drag does their finals this way.....sadly, attandance is only dropping.

Funny you mentioned Toronto Civics, those guys wanted MONEY to even consider anything of this sort. And they have NO interest in car audio WHATSOEVER.

A shop paid me once to set up a car audio competition while they were hosting a meet for the Toronto Accura Club. Guess how many guys entered? lol, 3 guys entered yet there were like 40 cars there AND IT WAS FREE FOR THEM!! and was advertised well in advance.

I had also done spl comp for the volkswagen fest this past summer. like over 400 cars onsite........only 12 spl contestants. I simply laughed and thought to myself, wow this is the easiest $200 bux I have ever made.

on-site tutorials are not possible, simply because there are too many idiots. real spl isnt something you can teach to a group of people. it's a one on one hands-on type thing. And if you think a real spl person will let some noob even touch their speaker wire........lol there will be blood shed. At the same time, I dont even know how to properly build a box. I literally just slap peices of wood together with glue and randomly places screwes, cut holes, add some ports and its done. I would probably FAIL Wood Shop 101. Often times I even get the wood measurements wrong, but there is nothing a jigsaw, chisel and "ah, that almost fits" cant fix.

breaking things? good idea, been done however. back in 2006 I think it was, Concepts on Wheels held a series of events (which they NEVER did again due to lack of participats). They held a show every months May to September I think. Those were good events with respect to "fun'ness". At every single event they had some girls that you could dump into a water tank, they also had a junked car that you could smash with a sledge hammer, which they also ended up picking up and throwing down with a fork lift. They had wheelbarrow races, tricycle races. But best of all they had FREE ENTRY and rather decent trophies for 1st to 5th!!!! place.

They even had radio advertisments and magazine ads to promote their events.

But the number of competitors remained at around 25 at every show. I bet they felt like idiots, I would too.

I dont think you are being ostracized, unless there is a meaning to the word I'm not aware of. Your enthusiasm is very good. Next time you go to a show don't be incognito, enter the event or atleast come say What's up.

If you got anymore ideas or what not lay them out, you never know, you might come up with something new and interesting.

 

I like that line right there ...

There still has to be a draw factor, no matter. There's this many competitions in the GTA area and most pick and choose, participate in them all if you're lucky.
The same is true in the import market. There's a million car shows, I only attend select ones, often on various years. I would think the same exists for the competitors as well. 1 guy and 1 car aren't going to be at EVERY-SINGLE-CAR-SHOW ... so why choose 1 over another?

I know its hard when you're playing with thousands of dollars ... it must be difficult to plan a show, get some press for it and nobody shows. At the same time, I just think there's MORE to what we're seeing right now. There's gotta be, that's all I can believe in
How many THOUSANDS of people there are interested in the GTA ... yet, we get 20-50?

I don't know HOW to do it, I just want it to be done. But yeah, we need some more ideas.

To respond to what you posted though,
I don't think trophies are the necessary answer. It might be a professional photographer who takes group photos or individual photos with your own car, maybe it's just a piece of paper, maybe IT IS more trophies (but super small ones), maybe it's a video of your run ...

I hear you on the entry fees. I don't think I'm even willing to consider a $80-100 event but I would definitely consider a $20 one.

If we had the funds, I would run multiple lanes across a category which will then allow a "Final" to show up relatively quickly. Then again, this would only be needed if we were talking about 50 competitors or more.

I think online is the way of the future to connect us all, so I'm definitely not giving up on that. There's gotta be something there to jump onto.

Toronto Civic Club, I mentioned them because I kinda-sorta know them but I'm not going to touch that topic.
I remember you talking about the VW Club, which is why I mentioned you've done events in the past ...

We still need to break more stuff

 

there are people that go to almost every single show, but only like 10 guys. Wish it was alot more so Im still keeping my hopes up as well.

You're not alone, some of us still believe as well, maybe sometime the day will come, sometime.

another sick idea and has happenned/is happening now, goin on 2 solid years. People that attend the shows and compete, a number of guys from this forum and also some guys who don't really come on here, have been in magazines and video footages a number of times. But you can guess who those guys are, lol the same 10 guys i mentioned above. Nice s in the PAS Mag thanks to a few people, check those out.


Yah I've been wishing for that for a long time. Unfortunately all the runs must be done on the same computer, and termlab only allows for 2 Mics at a time. Or did you mean something else?

I couldn't agree more! I remember a while back, factory deck tossing contests used to be popular, that was the .

 

there are people that go to almost every single show, but only like 10 guys. Wish it was alot more so Im still keeping my hopes up as well.
You're not alone, some of us still believe as well, maybe sometime the day will come, sometime.

With the way things are going, I think we're moving towards car audio, not away from it. Manufacturer's are helping consumers live never before with specialized, 8 and 12 speaker setups. WHY? Because the consumer has demanded it. As soon as they realize that the manufacturer is not doing them an over-the-top good job, something they could do (or get done) for themselves, then they'll come around ...
I just think there's so much INTEREST like never before (audio is SO portable now, I think that in turn makes consumers want audio to follow them and therefore, in the automobile).

Personally, I'd love a model to sit on my car. Well, maybe not sit, but at least stand beside it
And on a side note, I bought a copy of the mag because you guys were in it. I think it's a victory for Canada, for this website and I was thrilled to see YOU GUYS in it. I read the whole thing, front to back but I went out looking for it for one reason. So yeah, I saw it!

That's EXACTLY what I meant. If it was possible, can you imagine how fast you'd move through the competition? I can understand the concern but at the same time, I don't think other competitions go through such rigorous rules, especially on a local scale. There needs to be more faith in the equipment.

And when stuff is broken, it needs to be filmed ... that's a must!

 

yah yah!!

it would go much faster if you could do 4 cars at a time. db drag isnt so bad, IASCA is only 1 car at a time. Imagine that process.