Hey guys,

I'm about to do a budget/stealth install and I'm using my stock head unit as the source in a 2000 Cavalier Z24.

Has anyone here used the stock deck as the source and if so how did it sound?

Also, I'm looking at using a David Navone LOC because I've heard they are the best LOCs out there. Does anyone have experience with them?

have used them many times and they are the best, but be prepared to pay $$$ for it

I have one that I've recently taking out of my car since I went with an aftermarket headunit. It's the original 774v, not the updated one. I can even let you try it and if you like it you can buy it lol. I was looking to get 30cdn. Much cheaper than online and no duty worries or shipping so give me a pm if you're interested.
I'm in the Markham area.

^^What is the difference between the original 774v and the updated version?

The next step up is to get a Audio Control LC6, gives you front, rear and sub out with a sub level control.................

Thay are a awesome piece.....................the way of the future when it comes to OEM integration if you ask me..........

Links?
NEVER heard of the piece

the jl cleansweep is the way of the future, many are sure to copy, ac would be best to follow suit

^^

Until you move the factory volume control the slighest bit then you have to start all over again..............

AFAIK, changing the volume on the factory deck would only make a difference to the cleansweep if the linearity of the output of the deck changes with volume (eg boosting of midrange when volume is above a certain point)...

I could be wrong, but that's what I understood from the CarSound threads...

That is true, but if it adjusts anything in the deck then it's pointless...............plus......having to use the external volume control..............

Anyone know the retail on it ? I know US is $499..........

http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/produc...49&l1=5249&l2=

http://mobileaudiocontrol.com/Articl...Section_Id=184

no other aftermarket loc adjusts for the changing frequency response that alot of oem head units are nice enough to offer, so it doesnt matter if you use the ac, navone, soundgate or whatever loc, the cleansweep is the only one that adjusts for frequncy response, and the external volume control can easily be integrated into a user friendly location and the main one can be creatively locked into position so it cant be adjusted by unfamiliar users

The main advantage the Audiocontrol has over the JL unit, is it can sum outputs. This is handy on factory systems that only have crossed over outputs available (such as the JBL system in new Toyota's) IN fact the Cleansweep demo car in JL's booth at CES had an LC6 before the Cleansweep.

But at 3 to 4 times the money is it worth that much more then the LC6 considering the LC6 creates a sub out and give you a sub control....................

I think the Cleansweep is a great piece, but at the price they want, not to mention it's easier to buy a AC piece if your not a dealer then a JL piece if your not a dealer................I think in the long run the LC6 or a soundgate piece is the better choice...............unless your a JL dealer...........

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim Baillie.:
[QB] But at 3 to 4 times the money is it worth that much more then the LC6

absolutley, in my market and the way we do car stereos the cleanseep is far more suitable, besides most amplifiers that we sell come with an optional sub level control anyway, so its not a big issue

What about when you need to sum factory outputs into a usable signal?

if im not mistaked would the cleansweep not correct for this, otherwise you could get the signal before the amp, that is whatr we just did in a chysler crossfire, worked great

If the signal is data only (like the new JBL system in the Toyota's) you will lose all preamp functions of the headunit. The Cleensweep cannot correct for it. In the system I am talking about there is a single wire that carries the signal from the deck to the amp that is a constant AC voltage, something like 2.5 volts IIRC. Inside the amp the signal is split with a three way crossover, so the only out puts available for a line out converter are bandwisth limited, and even if you used 5 channels of amplification (front high, front mid, front low, rear mid, rear high) there is no guarantee that the crossover points in the factory amp are conducive to good sound from the aftermarket speakers.