Is JL Audio 500/1v2 enough to drive two 10W6v2's
12-03-2010, 05:52 PM
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Is JL Audio 500/1v2 enough to drive two 10W6v2's
I'm strongly considering the purchase of a 2010 Infiniti EX35. However, the "premium Bose" audio system in it is severely lacking, compared to what I have in my old Maxima. I figure it might not be so bad if it had some low end added in, as there's basically nothing there. My thought was to stick two JL Audio 10w6v2's in a box in the back, and tap into the existing system. I've heard good things about JL Audio, but never tried them. However, I'm not sure what kind of power I need to drive them. The 1000/1v2 is a little on the pricey side for my budget. A buddy said to go with the "slash" models. In my car, I'm currently powering two 1,000 watt Kenwood Excelons with a 1,000 watt Excelon class D. I'm wondering if I will be anywhere close to the same output with 500/1v2. Any thoughts?
12-03-2010, 06:26 PM
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"same output"...
Halving the power won't take output away as much as the box, install, and electrical etc. You could have less, you could have more. It's heavily box dependant. If you're using sealed now, and went ported, you'd hear a gain. If your Kenwoods are 1000W RMS each but you're thinking of sending them 250W each - it might be better to get more efficient subs that could use 500W better than the Kenwoods could.
What size are the Kenwood's you have now?
If you have two Kenwood subs and a 1000W Kenwood amp, why go for 2 W6 10's and a 500W amp?
JL amps are great, 1.5-4 ohm stable, and expensive. You can have +2000W for the price of a JL 1000/1.
Halving the power won't take output away as much as the box, install, and electrical etc. You could have less, you could have more. It's heavily box dependant. If you're using sealed now, and went ported, you'd hear a gain. If your Kenwoods are 1000W RMS each but you're thinking of sending them 250W each - it might be better to get more efficient subs that could use 500W better than the Kenwoods could.
What size are the Kenwood's you have now?
If you have two Kenwood subs and a 1000W Kenwood amp, why go for 2 W6 10's and a 500W amp?
JL amps are great, 1.5-4 ohm stable, and expensive. You can have +2000W for the price of a JL 1000/1.
12-03-2010, 06:38 PM
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Is JL Audio 500/1v2 enough to drive two 10W6v2's
The Kenwood system is in my old car ('97 Maxima), which I'm giving to my son. As he doesn't want me to remove the subs (obviously), I was looking for something to put in the new Infinity. I just meant I didn't really want to lose too much sound quality or output when going to the new vehicle. I will obviously lose a bit overall, as I'm running a 5.1 channel 2,800 watt system in my car, with Kenwood Excelon class D and 4-ch digital amps, with Hertz components and an Alpine center channel. There's not much I can do about the rest of the factory system in the Infinity, but I figure I can at least give it some subs to get some bottom end, more similar to what I have in my car. I had just heard good things about JL Audio (3 different people I talked to listed them as their 1st preference), so thought they might be worth a try. I don't listen to rap or anything like that, but I still like a very clean, tight bass with a bit of thump to it. From what I've read, the JL Audio's are very clean. I wouldn't even have to use a JL Audio amp. It was just the first thought that came to mind. I'm running closed boxes now. Not sure if I should go with closed or ported in the new vehicle.
12-03-2010, 07:14 PM
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Instead of getting the JL Audio 500/1 or even the 1000/1, I'd recommend getting the Alpine MDX-M12, 2-4 ohms stable, and 1200W (Which is perfect at 600W each sub, and Alpine always underrates their amps), with a lower distortion level than the JL's.
12-03-2010, 10:21 PM
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The JL 500/1 is more than capable as it does rated power from 1.5-4 ohms @ 11-14.5 volts. W6's have great SQ, and you won't find a bad review. Another good brand is Sundown audio, and Alpine as mentioned.
"5.1 channel 2,800 watt system in my car, with Kenwood Excelon class D and 4-ch digital amps, with Hertz components and an Alpine center channel."
Very nice. What size are the Excelons? Are those shallow-mount? Shallow mounts are a compromise.
You don't need lots of power to get the same output. For instance, the W6 10" (600W) efficiency is at 83.7 dB with 1 watt of power. The Sound Solutions Audio DCON 10" efficiency is at 86.6 dB with 1 watt of power. For the W6 to have the same output as the DCON, it needs twice the power (+3dB gain when doubling the cone area or power). Since the W6 can take 600W, when it's being fed by 600W, it should have the same output as the DCON when the DCON gets 300W. Now, this is in theory, and I can't just say that this = that but you get the idea. It's atleast easier on your electrical.
Look into buying one or two Fi audio X 10's or 12's (not a DCON clone but similiar) for a ported box, they're each 300W RMS. They're on sale right now for $65 & $75 each. The DCON is $100 & $125. The DCON and X are SQ subs, and you won't find a bad review.
Surely two of those 10's or 12's with 600W and a pro-built ported box will out perform two shallow-mounts in a sealed box. Huge difference in price and output.
"5.1 channel 2,800 watt system in my car, with Kenwood Excelon class D and 4-ch digital amps, with Hertz components and an Alpine center channel."
Very nice. What size are the Excelons? Are those shallow-mount? Shallow mounts are a compromise.
You don't need lots of power to get the same output. For instance, the W6 10" (600W) efficiency is at 83.7 dB with 1 watt of power. The Sound Solutions Audio DCON 10" efficiency is at 86.6 dB with 1 watt of power. For the W6 to have the same output as the DCON, it needs twice the power (+3dB gain when doubling the cone area or power). Since the W6 can take 600W, when it's being fed by 600W, it should have the same output as the DCON when the DCON gets 300W. Now, this is in theory, and I can't just say that this = that but you get the idea. It's atleast easier on your electrical.
Look into buying one or two Fi audio X 10's or 12's (not a DCON clone but similiar) for a ported box, they're each 300W RMS. They're on sale right now for $65 & $75 each. The DCON is $100 & $125. The DCON and X are SQ subs, and you won't find a bad review.
Surely two of those 10's or 12's with 600W and a pro-built ported box will out perform two shallow-mounts in a sealed box. Huge difference in price and output.
12-03-2010, 10:32 PM
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The 10W6V2 moves 33.4 liters/1.18 cubic feet of air with a one-way movement of 15.2 millimeters.
The DCON 10" moves 37.8 liters/1.33 cubic feet of air with a one-way movement of 16 millimeters.
You'd think that even though a W6 has less efficiency, it would make up for it by displacing more air but it doesn't.
Excelon
DCON
The DCON 10" moves 37.8 liters/1.33 cubic feet of air with a one-way movement of 16 millimeters.
You'd think that even though a W6 has less efficiency, it would make up for it by displacing more air but it doesn't.
Excelon
DCON
12-03-2010, 10:39 PM
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I wouldn't use those in sealed boxes though.
The only subs I'd use in sealed boxes are Eclipse SW8000 series (625W-670W-700W-750W single 4 ohm 10's & 12's) or TC sounds LMS motors. They don't start to roll off (frequency response) at 50 Hz, they start to drop off at around 28 Hz in small sealed boxes. They're also $150 from Sonicelectronics.com.
The only subs I'd use in sealed boxes are Eclipse SW8000 series (625W-670W-700W-750W single 4 ohm 10's & 12's) or TC sounds LMS motors. They don't start to roll off (frequency response) at 50 Hz, they start to drop off at around 28 Hz in small sealed boxes. They're also $150 from Sonicelectronics.com.
12-04-2010, 06:45 AM
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Aside from all this other stuff.... and to answer the OPs title question...
I've owned 3 12W6v's. I've ran them on a RF 800.2 and a Crown BPx2200.1. They were great sounding subs and got pretty damn loud. I've said it before and I'll say it again... yes, they were REALLY expensive (over $2K with taxes and enclosure for all 3) but they are still the most accurate sub I've ever heard. I really liked the sound that they produced.
I would think however that depending on your enclosure type/size, more power would be nice. Something closer to 800-1000rms, would make them pretty happy. They have great SQ in both ported and sealed apps. I tried both. In the end I went with just over 1.1 cu ported to 35hz and they sounded great and dug deep. I was happy, but after awhile in db drag competition I realized I needed something more.
Good luck man.
I've owned 3 12W6v's. I've ran them on a RF 800.2 and a Crown BPx2200.1. They were great sounding subs and got pretty damn loud. I've said it before and I'll say it again... yes, they were REALLY expensive (over $2K with taxes and enclosure for all 3) but they are still the most accurate sub I've ever heard. I really liked the sound that they produced.
I would think however that depending on your enclosure type/size, more power would be nice. Something closer to 800-1000rms, would make them pretty happy. They have great SQ in both ported and sealed apps. I tried both. In the end I went with just over 1.1 cu ported to 35hz and they sounded great and dug deep. I was happy, but after awhile in db drag competition I realized I needed something more.
Good luck man.
12-05-2010, 07:47 PM
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Very nice. What size are the Excelons? Are those shallow-mount? Shallow mounts are a compromise.
12-05-2010, 08:09 PM
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Thanks for all the advice for me to ponder. Still lots of decisions. I've always gone with 10" subs, as I thought the 12" ones wouldn't sound as clean. Is that the case, or is it more of which sub you are using? I haven't been able to find the DCONs in any online store. Do you know of a site where they're available? I still get the impression that the JL subs are still impressive, if money is no object. However, it looks like there are some alternatives. Thanks for all the info.
