Looking for new deck - some requirements
01-19-2006, 11:26 PM
#1
Heya again folks.
As of lately (and i blame the person that put up the new alpines are out post) i've been wanting a new deck. I love the fact that they now have decks that can play DVD-audio cd's (thats like 1300ish songs per disc). So i started looking at decks, i've never owned anything other than my current alpine 7894, an older alpine and an eclipse 5440 back in the day.
I've been really happy with all them, most of all this alpine (gotta love the mp3's).
Now, i see alpine has their new DVA-9861 which is pretty hot, dvd audio, 4V preouts etc etc. I don't know a ton about decks, but i'm assuming most will be comparable of better than my 7894 (quicker search/load times - not that i had a problem with the current).
As i looked, that deck is worth about $700 or $800 retail, if i'm spending that much, may as well go all out. I've always wanted a display, not so much for playing dvd movies on, but just love hte look of the display and have always wished my cd player could show the time, song and time of song etc on the display at once (as my bro's 7898 does). So I've been looking into stuff with the displays. THese being the prices they are, i've never bothered even really dreaming about them before. So i started lookin at the IVA-D100
and realized it's intense. But looking at the IVA-D310 it seemed to have much more stuff, for not that much more expensive, so i figured, if i'm gonna do this, i'll do it right.
SO....who all is making decks that'll do DVD audio. And in relation to screens, what all should a person know about them? I've heard they can't be up while driving (safety issue, although bypassable). Do these decks all have another single line display to display things while hte screen is closed? What types of stuff should i look for wiht decks n what not?
Why is it that all the alpine deck's (or most) have gone to 2v preouts. I don't know a ton about this, but i gather it means higher gains on the amps and more noise introduced into the system. Why don't they put 4v preouts on a $2k deck?
All in all, any suggestions on stuff i should look at, or make sure to keep and eye out for, or any general info about decks with 7" displays in them would be appreciative.
(i'm sure a dvd deck would lead to watching dvd's at some poitn or other, could be intense (obviously not while driving), and this might lead to other multimedia stuff...but thats for later)
[ January 20, 2006, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: Hardcore Rock Superstar ]
As of lately (and i blame the person that put up the new alpines are out post) i've been wanting a new deck. I love the fact that they now have decks that can play DVD-audio cd's (thats like 1300ish songs per disc). So i started looking at decks, i've never owned anything other than my current alpine 7894, an older alpine and an eclipse 5440 back in the day.
I've been really happy with all them, most of all this alpine (gotta love the mp3's).
Now, i see alpine has their new DVA-9861 which is pretty hot, dvd audio, 4V preouts etc etc. I don't know a ton about decks, but i'm assuming most will be comparable of better than my 7894 (quicker search/load times - not that i had a problem with the current).
As i looked, that deck is worth about $700 or $800 retail, if i'm spending that much, may as well go all out. I've always wanted a display, not so much for playing dvd movies on, but just love hte look of the display and have always wished my cd player could show the time, song and time of song etc on the display at once (as my bro's 7898 does). So I've been looking into stuff with the displays. THese being the prices they are, i've never bothered even really dreaming about them before. So i started lookin at the IVA-D100
and realized it's intense. But looking at the IVA-D310 it seemed to have much more stuff, for not that much more expensive, so i figured, if i'm gonna do this, i'll do it right.
SO....who all is making decks that'll do DVD audio. And in relation to screens, what all should a person know about them? I've heard they can't be up while driving (safety issue, although bypassable). Do these decks all have another single line display to display things while hte screen is closed? What types of stuff should i look for wiht decks n what not?
Why is it that all the alpine deck's (or most) have gone to 2v preouts. I don't know a ton about this, but i gather it means higher gains on the amps and more noise introduced into the system. Why don't they put 4v preouts on a $2k deck?
All in all, any suggestions on stuff i should look at, or make sure to keep and eye out for, or any general info about decks with 7" displays in them would be appreciative.
(i'm sure a dvd deck would lead to watching dvd's at some poitn or other, could be intense (obviously not while driving), and this might lead to other multimedia stuff...but thats for later)
[ January 20, 2006, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: Hardcore Rock Superstar ]
01-20-2006, 12:04 AM
#2
As far as the bypass goes, you can have the deck up with the screen playing regular cds, and you can also play the audio from movies. Without the bypass you can't change certain options, mostly just the eq stuff. The IVA-D310 has a single line display so you know what is playing when it is closed. You can also control a lot of the functions when it is closed. The only thing that I don't like is that the external display will only display something like 8 characters a time, and it doensn't scroll. Other than that very minor flaw, the deck is amazing. The touchscreen is SO much better in the 310 as compared to the 300 from the year before.
01-20-2006, 12:06 AM
#3
ok, I have no experience with the HU's you've listed, but I will add a few things in the mean time...
It seems to me, though I could be wrong that you are confusing DVD-Audio, with a DVD full of Mp3's... 2 different animals...
The car can be opperated while the screen is in the open position, but you just can't enjoy any multimedia playback, but you can operate the HU with the screen while driving...
Alpine is releasing HU's with 2V pre-outs because they are assuming, or expecting you to hook it into a processor of some sort (H701) which bumps up the pre-outs to 4 volts, which feed your amps, so in that senario, having 4, 6, or 8V coming off the deck isn't really an issue if you're feeding it directly into a processor that steps up the signal from there on.
I hope that clears up a few things, as I'm sure other members with accurate opinions will chime in in the hours to come.
Good luck with the search, Regards,
Mark
It seems to me, though I could be wrong that you are confusing DVD-Audio, with a DVD full of Mp3's... 2 different animals...
The car can be opperated while the screen is in the open position, but you just can't enjoy any multimedia playback, but you can operate the HU with the screen while driving...
Alpine is releasing HU's with 2V pre-outs because they are assuming, or expecting you to hook it into a processor of some sort (H701) which bumps up the pre-outs to 4 volts, which feed your amps, so in that senario, having 4, 6, or 8V coming off the deck isn't really an issue if you're feeding it directly into a processor that steps up the signal from there on.
I hope that clears up a few things, as I'm sure other members with accurate opinions will chime in in the hours to come.
Good luck with the search, Regards,
Mark
01-20-2006, 12:10 AM
#4
Hmmm interesting. What exactly is meant by "DVD-Audio"???
I think i'm heading down to FX audio in edmonton tommorrow, if i can find it to look at their decks.
Is install really any different for this unit compared to a regular head unit, assuming you're not connecting any other components to it?
In reference to when the screen can be open i've seen:
"Video Lock-out Feature: For safety and legal reasons, the IVA-D310 features a video lock-out feature to prevent the viewing of a video source while the vehicle is in motion. To watch a video source, the vehicle must be parked with the ignition in the ACC or ON position. The vehicle's parking brake must be engaged, disengaged, and engaged again while the foot brake is held in."
Does that mean only when there's a video source? What about general songs and what not like an MP3 disc, can it still be open?
[ January 20, 2006, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: Hardcore Rock Superstar ]
I think i'm heading down to FX audio in edmonton tommorrow, if i can find it to look at their decks.
Is install really any different for this unit compared to a regular head unit, assuming you're not connecting any other components to it?
In reference to when the screen can be open i've seen:
"Video Lock-out Feature: For safety and legal reasons, the IVA-D310 features a video lock-out feature to prevent the viewing of a video source while the vehicle is in motion. To watch a video source, the vehicle must be parked with the ignition in the ACC or ON position. The vehicle's parking brake must be engaged, disengaged, and engaged again while the foot brake is held in."
Does that mean only when there's a video source? What about general songs and what not like an MP3 disc, can it still be open?
[ January 20, 2006, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: Hardcore Rock Superstar ]
01-20-2006, 02:35 AM
#6
by the way... http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define
VD-Audio
regards, Mark
VD-Audioregards, Mark
01-20-2006, 07:58 AM
#7
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Originally posted by Hardcore Rock Superstar:
Hmmm interesting. What exactly is meant by "DVD-Audio"???
Hmmm interesting. What exactly is meant by "DVD-Audio"???
In relation to Alpine's players, they do a two channel mixdown of the DVD-Audio so it really defeats the purpose of having this feature. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
01-20-2006, 08:58 AM
#8
^^that's what I've been telling everyone. Again, I will ask; why is it so hard to do multi channel dvd-a in decks that are over a $1000.00, when i can buy home units for 200-300.00? I like Alpine, but should any other name brand(pioneer, clarion, jvc, sony etc...) bring out a deck with dvd-a(true dvd-a) for a reasonable amount...they're getting my business!
01-20-2006, 09:02 AM
#9
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I wouldn't bank on it. I'm aure the manufacturers can do it cheaper but since there's such a low demand for it, the cost of production is still high so they leave it to the top end units.
I have DVD-Audio in my own car but with the cost of software I have a very limited library. I really enjoy listening to the material but until the cost of discs comes down the bulk of the public will stick to CD.
I have DVD-Audio in my own car but with the cost of software I have a very limited library. I really enjoy listening to the material but until the cost of discs comes down the bulk of the public will stick to CD.
01-20-2006, 09:23 AM
#10
^^I think that's what creates the vicious cycle. The players are too expensive to buy, hence no one will buy the software...the software does not sell(no volume), so the price is high...the software price is high, no one buys them...the players are not needed and their price stays high. Someone has to make the first move, either the music co. or the hardware manufacturers...it looks like Sony will have to do it again, since they own both and start a trend.
