Need opinions....
07-26-2005, 05:58 PM
#1
Well the group buy that I have going on for Kinetik batteries seems to be a complete flop.
Not one single person has shown any interest and some didn't even know it was going on when I asked.
So... what am I doing wrong?
I have a product that just about any car audio person would need at some point in time. There are a bunch of different sizes/options available and I think I've offered one hell of a price on them. Still no interest though.
Am I doing something wrong?
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Not one single person has shown any interest and some didn't even know it was going on when I asked.
So... what am I doing wrong?
I have a product that just about any car audio person would need at some point in time. There are a bunch of different sizes/options available and I think I've offered one hell of a price on them. Still no interest though.
Am I doing something wrong?
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07-26-2005, 10:48 PM
#2
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 56
I dont know much about kinetik batteries but from just the talk on this site it seems like most people are into Optima yellow or blue tops! With a price point $183.00 for a yellow top at Sams club that might have something to do with the lack of interest! But if they seriously out perform optima then you should probably say how, why, and by how much. I guess right know people just dont see the value in them! Thats just my opinion.
David
David
07-27-2005, 02:39 AM
#3
Niche product, very expensive, not saying they aren't worth it, but to most people a Sears Die Hard is just as good. You're offering a great discount but they are still a substantial chunk of change. I can't get a shipping quote off of your site but I'm thinking that would be semi-expensive too due to weight. Personally I would likely never mail order a battery due to warranty/reshipping concerns.
07-27-2005, 05:39 AM
#4
Hrm.. interesting points. I didn't include all of the "why is it better than a regular battery" info because the post would have been insanely long. I opted to just add a link to the Kinetik site so people could find out themselves.
Here is the info though, thanks for your input! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Here is the info though, thanks for your input! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
What makes our AGM power cells better than conventional batteries?
Our power cells deliver higher peak amps faster and provide up to twice the life of conventional batteries. They are suspended with fiberglass mat seperators, which act as absorbent sponges to deliver maintenance-free, hi-performance with a no leak design, higher cranking amps, lower self discharge and greater vibration resistance.
Is there any special consideration necessary for different climates?
Our power cells provide superior performance with zero maintenance in hot or cold weather.
What kind of maintenance is necessary to extend the life of my power cell?
Our power cells were designed to be maintenance free, although if being stored for a long period of time (approximately 6 months) it is recommended that you use our power cell "maintainer" specifically designed to keep the power cell conditioned for its maximum life. Our power cells hold a charge much better than conventional batteries when not in use.
Where can I mount my Kinetik HC Power Cell?
Our power cells can be mounted in any position, anywhere in your vehicle. Our power cells are sealed non-spillable and were designed for any type of installation.
What is an AGM power cell?
AGM is an abbreviation for absorbed glass mat. With this design, the acid is completely absorbed into glass mat separators which are sandwiched between the lead plates. It's a totally sealed and maintenance free design. There are no discharge tubes or filler caps, which eliminates the need to maintain water levels and offers no concern about acid leaks.
Why is an AGM power cell better than a conventional battery?
Sealed maintenance free design means you never have to worry about leakage (even when damaged) or checking water levels. AGM technology will not leak or corrode on paint and chrome. AGM power cells have less internal resistance which offers more CCA amperage than conventional batteries.
AGM power cells are more heat and vibration resistant than conventional batteries, both which contribute to the large majority of failures.
Slower self discharge rate (longer shelf life) means the power cell can sit for extended periods of time without constant monitoring. A conventional battery discharges 15% a month, our power cells discharge only 2-3% per month.
I have heard the HC 600 called the "Cap Killer", why?
A capacitor discharges its entire capacity quickly. The "Cap Killer" can supply substantially higher power for a much longer duration. The "Cap Killer" can stop your lights from dimming if the alternator and the vehicles electrical system work properly, but will not "keep up" with the demand. With over 100 times the power of a capacitor, the Kinetik "Cap Killer" will help maintain the proper voltage and current required to power additional electronics such as amplifiers and video equipment.
You do not have to isolate the "Cap Killer" from the vehicle. The "Cap Killer" was designed to supplement the energy storage capacity of your electrical system in order to enhance the performance of aftermarket electonics. Isolating it from the electrical system would defeat this purpose.
Although the "Cap Killer" can be mounted almost anywhere in a vehicle, for optimum performance it should be mounted as close to the load as possible.
Our power cells deliver higher peak amps faster and provide up to twice the life of conventional batteries. They are suspended with fiberglass mat seperators, which act as absorbent sponges to deliver maintenance-free, hi-performance with a no leak design, higher cranking amps, lower self discharge and greater vibration resistance.
Is there any special consideration necessary for different climates?
Our power cells provide superior performance with zero maintenance in hot or cold weather.
What kind of maintenance is necessary to extend the life of my power cell?
Our power cells were designed to be maintenance free, although if being stored for a long period of time (approximately 6 months) it is recommended that you use our power cell "maintainer" specifically designed to keep the power cell conditioned for its maximum life. Our power cells hold a charge much better than conventional batteries when not in use.
Where can I mount my Kinetik HC Power Cell?
Our power cells can be mounted in any position, anywhere in your vehicle. Our power cells are sealed non-spillable and were designed for any type of installation.
What is an AGM power cell?
AGM is an abbreviation for absorbed glass mat. With this design, the acid is completely absorbed into glass mat separators which are sandwiched between the lead plates. It's a totally sealed and maintenance free design. There are no discharge tubes or filler caps, which eliminates the need to maintain water levels and offers no concern about acid leaks.
Why is an AGM power cell better than a conventional battery?
Sealed maintenance free design means you never have to worry about leakage (even when damaged) or checking water levels. AGM technology will not leak or corrode on paint and chrome. AGM power cells have less internal resistance which offers more CCA amperage than conventional batteries.
AGM power cells are more heat and vibration resistant than conventional batteries, both which contribute to the large majority of failures.
Slower self discharge rate (longer shelf life) means the power cell can sit for extended periods of time without constant monitoring. A conventional battery discharges 15% a month, our power cells discharge only 2-3% per month.
I have heard the HC 600 called the "Cap Killer", why?
A capacitor discharges its entire capacity quickly. The "Cap Killer" can supply substantially higher power for a much longer duration. The "Cap Killer" can stop your lights from dimming if the alternator and the vehicles electrical system work properly, but will not "keep up" with the demand. With over 100 times the power of a capacitor, the Kinetik "Cap Killer" will help maintain the proper voltage and current required to power additional electronics such as amplifiers and video equipment.
You do not have to isolate the "Cap Killer" from the vehicle. The "Cap Killer" was designed to supplement the energy storage capacity of your electrical system in order to enhance the performance of aftermarket electonics. Isolating it from the electrical system would defeat this purpose.
Although the "Cap Killer" can be mounted almost anywhere in a vehicle, for optimum performance it should be mounted as close to the load as possible.
07-27-2005, 06:34 AM
#5
Well that's all good, except it's the manufacturer's info. Problem I see is that the brand is relatively unknown and unproven to the mass of users out there. Optima, die hard or any of a number of other brands have proven themselves over time and are less expensive generally. While this product may be the best thing since sliced bread, it will take some time for brave souls to try them and love them and the good word.
07-27-2005, 07:12 AM
#7
Originally posted by veeman:
Well that's all good, except it's the manufacturer's info. Problem I see is that the brand is relatively unknown and unproven to the mass of users out there. Optima, die hard or any of a number of other brands have proven themselves over time and are less expensive generally. While this product may be the best thing since sliced bread, it will take some time for brave souls to try them and love them and the good word.
Well that's all good, except it's the manufacturer's info. Problem I see is that the brand is relatively unknown and unproven to the mass of users out there. Optima, die hard or any of a number of other brands have proven themselves over time and are less expensive generally. While this product may be the best thing since sliced bread, it will take some time for brave souls to try them and love them and the good word.
What better way to get people to try it than to offer a fairly significant discount? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
07-27-2005, 07:16 AM
#8
Originally posted by Prolifik:
jordy the only way to do this is to hype it up first. take it and test it against some other well known battery and posts detailed results, voltage drops, spl, etc, etc.........with pics and stuff.
jordy the only way to do this is to hype it up first. take it and test it against some other well known battery and posts detailed results, voltage drops, spl, etc, etc.........with pics and stuff.
Testing it in an SPL application would be great, but that would be gearing them towards a very small segment of the market when it can really be used by anyone with an audio system or even a person who needs a good solid battery.
There are plenty of tests out there in SPL applications anyways so it wouldn't really be any benefit.
Besides, I already asked an SPL guy to test out an HC2400 for me at a ridiculously low price and even offered to swap the battery out for another one if he wasn't happy. He declined though. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
[ July 27, 2005, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: JordyO ]
07-27-2005, 07:39 AM
#9
ok once again. u need to hype up the product. the spl figures are not of relevance to everyone but then again, how many ppl are gonna buy that big stupid mtx sub???? probalby like 2 guys but we all see how many ppl on this forum are amazed with it.
people will get amazed with anything amazing/new/better/bigger/stronger/faster even if it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with them or of any benefit to them (MTX sub again).
maybe an spl differance wont matter that much but if you combine it with voltage drops tests (dimming headlights........many ppl have this), or actually times it takes a battery to go dead with the car off while playing your stereo (once again many guys do this), the time it takes for that dead battery to fully charge back up, maybe even short circut the battery and see if it still works afterwards......i can see it now "wow that battery got shorted out and still worked fine"......its stupid as hell but it will impress ppl, trust me. Even if you drop it from like a 3rd floor and show that it still works ppl WILL be amazed.
people will get amazed with anything amazing/new/better/bigger/stronger/faster even if it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with them or of any benefit to them (MTX sub again).
maybe an spl differance wont matter that much but if you combine it with voltage drops tests (dimming headlights........many ppl have this), or actually times it takes a battery to go dead with the car off while playing your stereo (once again many guys do this), the time it takes for that dead battery to fully charge back up, maybe even short circut the battery and see if it still works afterwards......i can see it now "wow that battery got shorted out and still worked fine"......its stupid as hell but it will impress ppl, trust me. Even if you drop it from like a 3rd floor and show that it still works ppl WILL be amazed.
07-27-2005, 07:55 AM
#10
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Your logic in that everyone needs a battery sounds good at first, unfortunatley batteries are the type of product that people generally only buy when they NEED a new one. Most people will not upgrade to a newer better battery until the old one dies. I have never been able to sell an Optima to someone with a functioning battery already, but I sold a ton of them to people when their battery died.
