battyrida

iTrader: (-1)

Some things ive come to Realize about this industry in the past decade, is that Manufacturers despite the so called "whorring" of their gear on the net, also enjoy making the numbers via internet sales. Which also brings me to think, If Customers prefer to purchase Gear through the net... Why should a manufacture not allow it?

Lets face it, no matter how high end the equipment, its gonna end up on ebay and some part of the net. Just gotta face the facts... But come on Tom both you and I know that Brick and Mortar stores are the way to go [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] They all show so much integrity in the product

TomK

Whoring via the internet is bad for the industry. Period. We'll never deal with a manufacturer that does uncontrolled internet sales nor do we allow our dealers to do internet sales.

Batty, do you just make up stuff to pretend you know what you're talking about or you just speculating again!?!?!?

Many deals on Ebay are usually not deals or the real thing for that matter.

[ January 20, 2006, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]

theboy

Just look what ebay has done for PG....d it into a "b" brand joke!Soon you will be able to buy it at xs cargo....is that what we are aiming for?

veeman

iTrader: (3)

^^I don't think anyone wants to see that happen. The problem is if you strictly forbid internet sales of your products, someone will find a way to get them on there...the wrong way. I think that's what helps to screw a brand. The bottom line is this; if the product is good, and the manufacturer keeps their quality up, their brand will stay strong. There are lots of authorized internet dealers in the U.S. that sell just about every brand(high end), the ones that have maintained their quality are still held in high regard. My solution would be to authorize all your current dealers for online sales and sqeeze the unauthorized dealers out. If there are enough legit dealers on the web selling the product(lots of competition...cheaper prices), it leaves little room for the unauthorized guys to do business. I like cheap prices, but if I can get a full warranty for not too much more, I'll buy there.

MR2NR

iTrader: (66)

You can like cheap prices all you like, but when you expect them to be so cheap that a store can no longer operate, you lose a valued tool in your toolbox. There is a point that a retailer must remain profitable. Perhaps we should look at your job for example. Did you know that there are Mexicans who will work for 25% of the wage that you take home right now? Perhaps we should replace you as it would lower the costs that your employer charges and we can all get a cheaper price from him. It is a large cycle of things, if you are cheap, you are cheap. If you cannot see the value in finding a good retailer and building a relationship with a good retailer because you are cheap, then that is on your shoulders.

A store does get busy no doubt, especially a smaller store where the resident expert is the installer, salesperson, bookkeeper, phone answerer etc. Have I had to excuse myself from some of my good customers before, yes I have. Do I make these customers aware that everyone coming into my store is of the same importance, yes I do, regardless of how much money they may or may not spend. If you had a bad experience at a store, no offence intended but perhaps your attitude was part of the problem. Based on the comments yuo have made above, to me it seems that it still is.

MIKEONE

veeman, what makes a brand strong are the small independant shops that do great install work and give great customer service, as soon as a brand starts getting slammed on the net , the pressure to build ****ty , cheapass product intensifies, and sooner or later, no one will touch the product, and the small independant dealers will find another product to pay the bills. as far as focal goes in canada, you will never see the product offered up online by an approved dealer.

[ January 20, 2006, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: MIKEONE ]

veeman

iTrader: (3)

NEVER IS A LONG TIME MIKEONE!

MR2NR...GOOD LUCK SELLING YOUR STORE!

battyrida

iTrader: (-1)

Oh No Speculation, Nor making things up.... We can discuss this further in a private message if youd like, but lets say, quite a few manufacturers have sold in quantity to me and fellow enthusiasts and this is not a one time kinda deal. Dig up my past posts, see what i mean. But hey what do i know right? I mean the Canadian distributor should be the only people getting distro costs right? and in quantity for that fact?

Not pickin on yah buddy, but its the truth....

This is why I will support online sales, and why the so called "high end" market is just like the rest of the crowd.

Mpuopolo

Good comments so far guys.

I will continue to do market research and try to come up with a game plan. My aim is to start as an online dealer, and once my reputation for quality service and prices are well established, I plan on venturing into brick and mortar stores, somewhat like a chain. It will in a sense be a wholesaler, however, I will hire competant staff who will install products and give sound audio advice depending on the persons needs and price range.

I plan on talking to each of the brand names. I have in a list I have made, and reason that I am not going to be "whorring" there products like some above have mentioned, rather adding awareness of the product to the market. Few people know about the abundance of choices they have. They think the world begins at Pioneer and ends at Sony (Thanks in part by Futureshop/Best Buy).

Ebay is such a bad example when talking about products, they are both very good and very bad. Good in the sense that they offer good prices, bad in that there is a risk of fraud or misrepresentation of the product


I plan on taking this website very seriously. It will not be just a cash grab.

Oh btw,

I was curious what brands some of you would like to see on my website, and if you could a brief reasoning behind it. I will seriously consider any product that gets a lot of endorsement from people on this forum. After all, you are my future customers (*crossing fingers!)

Vizion

If you go into a store uneducated and not knowing what you want then you are at the mercy of the salesperson. Theres the guys out there that really take the time and help you, inform you of the newest products etc... But there is also the guy who has no patience.

So the first place you turn is the internet to gain knowledge and get an idea of what you want.
So why not buy from a website, especially if its cheaper then the stores, guaranteed to work, and high end equipment.

Im sure the guys that own stores consider it "whoring out product" and liken it to being replaced by mexicans but Im sure if they could get, lets say a pair of running shoes, at a discounted price online they would do it.