It was only a matter of time. Got Screwed
 

Well it was only a matter of time.
I got screwed by a guy off Ebay.
This guy out bided me on an auction
for an amp. I then contacted him a month later
to try and convince him to sell me the amp.
He agreed, then I paid him top dollar for the amp.
I know that $260.00 u.s. is not alot of money yet it is
when every dollar counts in a one income family home like mine.
So I pay him he says he shipped out the amp. One month goes by,
yet never does he give me a tracking number or proof of shipment.
He then says that the post office in the U.S. told him there is no way
to get tracking info into other countries. Hmmmm so another month goes by
and no amp. Please note that this transaction was outside of Ebay yet I did
send payment via Paypal. The kicker is that when he sent me the money request
he did it as a service not as goods. I didn't see that part in the request and now
Paypal says that it's a service and they can't refund me based on non tangible items.
Some back and forth goes on with this scum bag and then he somehow says that he
now will send me half back in good faith. At this point I will take anything and another month
goes bye and he says that he is securing funds, yet he is buying lots on Ebay.
Then the other day he outbids me on an auction that I was bidding on. What the hell is going on?
So then I ask him why he is doing what he is doing. He says that he is no longer going to
send me anything.
All I wanted was my amp!.
Anyway I just want everyone to be careful when buying things in and out of Ebay and don't be fooled
by positive feedback. You never know what people are really all about.
p.s. his seller id on Ebay is jefferson2166 .

It's a shame people like that exist

sucks to hear man

i got screwed on some "new" brake calipers i bought but fortunately paypal got me my money back, minus their $25 take

i told the guy to pay me the rest plus shipping or he's not getting his parts back, so far no contact

now i can sell them, as they are, used

There is an Internet Fraud division of the FBI where you can fill out a claim online.

I'd start there... and be sure that he knows exactly what you're doing and make sure he knows that International Mail Fraud is a felony....

I have some doubts about whether or not the FBI would be able to help you out... but it should at least scare him a bit :smilie_da

Sorry to here that bro that sucks

Do you have every email conversation saved?

I would contact the local Police Dept in his area to see what they can do. Basically what he did was theft.

good advice.... same with calling his local cops with a complaint.. maybe he's already a criminal ? the more pressure you can put on this guy Id say the better your changes youll see your money or the amp....

where is this guy from ?!?!


personally I like to keep private sales local with people I can meet up with.... and with those who are known to have a good rep.... although I have made 'good faith' purchases before

Hope it works out for ya...

Funny, he just tried to buy my 8250 outside of ebay, maybe I should screw him back for you lol.

re jefferson2166
 

I have all the e-mails yet I don't think it's going to do much.
All I can do now is make sure my fellow car audio fanatics know about this scum bag.
Ban jefferson2166 off your bidding list!

Hey Newb , that would be nice. then tell him afterwards not to mess with us.! Tell him to send me my money.
my ebay id is Cutra*

I would send him an email saying you want either a full refund or the amp by this X date. If I don't tell him your going to contact the local PD Dept.

I would call his local PD dept. They'll be the ones to decided on what they can do. It's work in the past where people tried to scam.

definitely let locals know.
sorry to hear this.

Hey Leo!!!

I know this ... bought an little amp off him a while back. Overcharged me shipping. Had to file a paypal claim for $10 to get it back. Loser. Then he told me the amp was made by Zed Audio and it wasn't. I didn't care after that, it was only a $75 amp anyhow. After that he stopped listing Canada as shipping destination in his auctions.

eBay is another issue all together. Had to start my own account. My wife has 99.6 (+) feedback and they kicked her off becuase some lady bought something that she couldn't afford and wanted her $ back. She then filed a claim saying the item was not authentic.

They gave her $ back in full, kept the bag and sent it to the manufacturer and kicked the wife off.

I've started my own account for my own purchases only...

It's not even the prices for why I would buy off eBay.. you just can't find the old school stuff listed for sale in the bargain finder if you know what I mean!!!

Just don't know what to say man. There's a company that will ship dog to someone's door for like $30. I would go that route. :)

Tony

so where is this fine gentleman located?

I wish I kept that friggin box man... I had his address and everything.

I'm going to see if there's a change I have any of the customs info left.

I have buddies address and info, he bought some subs off of me. I have PM'ed it to Cutra already.

scumbag
 

Yeah too bad i'm not the only one he screwed.
I don't believe in protecting the criminals.
If anyone wants his details I'll send it to ya.
I appreciate the support guys.
Remember jefferson2166 is an unprofessional jerk.

Paypal has been awesome for disputes.

Recently, my father bought an ipod video. The guy said it was in mint condition, but it had so many scratches, the screen was even distorted. Initiated a paypal dispute, few weeks later got my money back, and don't have to send the ipod back now :D

Same with a friend, bought a Powerbook, came DOA, got his money back and the guy was banned from paypal/ebay due to too many complaints/scams, so he got the laptop for free too :D

I ship all my stuff through ebay's print your own shipping label, thus proving that I did ship the item as long as CP says that it was accepted.

That why you support local dealers and don't buy from non e-tailer sites...maybe the internet didn't save you any money...

go to your local audio shop...

make a plea for forgiveness...

ask them for an empty box for something with a street value of $500 or more

fill the empty box with misc. cheap items you have around to give it proper weight

send it to your friend COD for $200

*make sure the return address is of a buddies that lives far from you

I am in no way condoning this type of behaviour, however low-lifes need a lesson sometimes.

yea man sry to hearbout that stuff thats why i stay away rom ebay too much that can go wrong i just keep it local meet up exchange but scum bags like this ruin the whole online buying for every one

With the amount of times we see the "don't by from ebay" threads around here, its hard to feel sorry for anyone who gets taken with the amount of warnings.

Better luck next time and i hope you get your money back.

I try to support local retailers when I can, but when they try to seriously screw me for all I am worth, I don't like that. Whenever I go into a local car audio shop, everything is so overpriced, I suppose being in a small town doesn't help much, but still, they should charge over $50 over the MSRP. For example, A friend of mine bought a JBL GTO1202D 12" sub recently, paid $300+taxes for it, convinced that it was a good deal, which it clearly doesn't, and the MSRP is only $99 USD! He went back 1 week later (bought it on boxing day, supposed retail price was over $500, even had a sticker saying that price!!) and asked for a refund. No. He fought with them for well over half an hour (we were both there so I took a few shots too) and they were just being asses. We even brought a print off of the page showing the MSRP, asked to look at their price books, but just denied us.

So what we ended up doing was standing outside for 3 weekends, telling everyone who went in how much of a rip-off it was, everyone turned around and went somewhere else, EVERYONE! They called the police, but the guy who showed up was a friend of mine. Oh man that was funny. He brought us into the store, asked if we were the two guys that were hassling them, they said yeah, he asked us why we were hassling them, told them our story, and my friend (the cop) said to the manager that he should just give us a refund, unless he wants the police to do an investigation, so we finally got the refund, and for the next two weekends (including this previous weekend) we were warning people. If they are going to rip off people and be complete asses about it when people found out that they have been had, I will the word as much as I can.

i bought something off ebay 3 years ago and never had it shipped and filed a dispute and got the seller kicked off but paypal would not refund my full amount of 113 us only got $7 us (thats all he had in his paypal) back and they just kept telling me he had to have the full amount in his paypal for me to get the money back.

Dealers like loyalty . The first time i bought from a shop i paid top dollar , that was 10 years ago . Within a few purchaces i saw a signifigant differance from the sticker price and what i was paying . Now i barely pay above dealer cost . I got an amp from these guys for $100 dollars less than the lowest price on ebay just recently , not to mention all the free goodies they,ve thown in over the years , wire , connectores and the most important of all , ADVICE !
Tip , if you can pay cash , ask , can i get a cash price on this item ? In a small shop it will usually get you good results .:smilie_da

Many people including myself support our local dealers immensly. There is a MAJOR difference between buying from an online retailer and eBay.

I love the old school stuff and so does Leo (Cutra). The fact that people say you shouldn't buy from eBay is not entirely fair as both myself and Leo have sold on eBay (leo much much more than myself I believe) and for 99% of the amps we like, there is no other location to find them.

The fact of the matter is that this piece of screwed him and worked the system. All that does is educate people who do use eBay. Unfortunately it had to cost someone a few hundred bucks this time but he was nice enough to describe the scam to us in a kind enough way so as to help US not get screwed as well.

Let's not get our enthusiasm for the older stuff confused with dealer loyalty. It's a case where you really like something and there's only one place to find it so you take a marginally calculated risk unfortunately.

Point in case... I've been looking for Rodek "E" series amps for over a year!!! No 2150s, no 2300's 4100's or anything else for that matter. I sure would find it hard not to buy one on Ebay if it ever did come up for sale...

So... I'm starting to think that we should get the mailed to his door COD now in a $500 box for $240 COD. :appl:

Hmmmm...

I can't freakin believe it.
 

Well i never got anything back from this scammer.
Infact he rubbed it in my face with an e-mail saying that it arrived back to him.
So now he had my amp and my money..

Today i see that this guy listed it again on EBAY. Holy fuc*en !!!!

I really can't believe this.

here is the link.
eBay.ca: ESX made by ZED audio audiophile quality amp *POWERFUL* (item 110161944967 end time 24-Aug-07 11:00:13 EDT)

There's horror stories on both ends. To dismiss ebay completely because of a few jerks is to dismiss local retailers because of a few bad experiences. Cutra did a private deal outside of ebay and got burned...that's not ebay's fault. Anytime you do a private deal, you leave yourself open for fraud....that hasn't changed since cavemen were bartering for wheels. Number one rule, don't buy private unless you can meet the buyer and inspect the product yourself. If you're buying online, go through the proper channels to protect yourself. Separate yourself emotionally from the product (don't want it so bad that you ignore proper procedure). Always deal with reputable sellers and don't ever send cash, cheques or money orders...use paypal or some insured paying system and follow their rules to insure you're protected. My family has been shopping online for years now, and we've yet to have a bad experience. Always look for the product locally first, shop around or go to your local dealer and ask them if they can match your actual landed price...you may be very surprised at how little of a difference there is when you factor in all your expenses. Unless I'm saving 40-50%, and depending on the product and potential problems, I won't buy it from a non-dealer.

Yes I learned my lesson yet i'm also trying to help others also.
Looking for local car audio in Canada is crazy as there is not as much up here and when you do find someone that has somehting they don't want to sell.
It's a tough thing to do....
I never said it's ebay's fault just the scammer's fault.
Thanks for your support.

^^and that's the best thing you did...letting others know about creeps out there is the only way to protect against them. I know you like the old stuff and fortunately places like ebay are around to find that stuff, before it was only a dream to find that special piece of equipment that you always wanted. Hopefully, you can recover some or part of your money, and I'm sure you've learned a few things that may help you avoid problems in the future, but there is always a risk....good luck!

Veeman, you recommended not using money orders, but they are quite a bit safer than many other methods.

If you send a money order and the seller defrauds you, it becomes an issue of mail fraud.
Almost as importantly, with mail you have SOME form of address, even if it is only a post office box. I personally will NOT send money of any kind to a post office box, it needs to be a residential address, or a postal outlet where they will check ID before releasing the money order.

Mail fraud is something that no reasonably seasoned scammer will let himself get tied up in, that there is jail time.


Plus, have you read about all the paypal problems out there? I use it, but damn am I leery. I'm more afraid of getting burnt by paypal than some ebay seller.

I got screwed on Ebay too. It was a similar transaction. Did not get my amp either. Power seller hifisoundconnection. He has a lot of positive feedback, and once in a while he screws people, because he can afford it. Read his feedback.

Did you read some of this jefferson guy's replies on his E-bay?....he's just plain rude.

Care to post that E-mail he sent you?

If you need an amp i'm in Concord Ontario (locally to you) and I never screw anyone other than my wife (once in a while)...

Gosh which one?
here is today's e-mail trail between him and I.

The below are in response to my e-mail stating that he has listed the amp he sold me and ripped me off.
I send him this e-mail today
Dear jefferson2166,

I can't believe you listed this amp again after selling this to me and then screwing me out of my money.
You should really refund my money or ship me the amp.
You should do the honerable thing and refund my money.

Here are his responses : Lies, denial and truly he is off his meds.

" what???? sorry guy i have no idea what you are talking about i will post pics of 4 of these amps i have on top of that i have got 2, 275.1 and 2,175.2 and a 60.4 so do me a favor and leave me alone honorable you bid on my item that i didnt ship out of the U>S then left me negative is that the honor you speak of you and i have no relationship buisness/ebay or otherwise do not bid on my items under any of your names as they are already restricted from my auction and again i donot have any idea what you are talking about

- jefferson2166

Then I send him another e-mail

Dear jefferson2166,

Haha,
man you must have forgotten to take you meds today.
I'm sure I'm burned into your brain (if you have one)that is!
I can't believe you!
Don't worry one day you will get back what you did to me. What comes around goes around.
You know exactly what I'm talking about.

His reply:

Dear zedcollector,

oh i know i know about the feedback you left me and that will definitely come back around on you for sure well i see it has a few times. if i "burned" you why would you try to buy from me? unless you tried to leave me negative. and that is what you did period. that was B.S be done with it guy i wanted that 120.4 you have listed 4 times but i have a bad record with you so i stayed away so do me a favor and stay away from me also look you guys leave bullshit stuff on whatever page it is in ebay that you can do that then expect me to let you bid on my stuff forget it. whats done is done. you had your chance guy you know whats up you left me bad feedback for another deal then when the chips fell in my favor you got mad if you wouldnt have jumped the gun you would have gotten what you deserved but instead you bid and won an auction after it said US only because i had a "problem" shipping to canada. then when i wouldnt ship to you you left me neg.well then the problem i had shipping to canada got resolved and now you think i owe you something you need to take your meds guy i know exactly what went down but i dont know what you are talking about when you say i owe you something or that you think in any way shape or form that this amp was yours or is owed to you no i dont know what you are talking about. but this will be the last email i feel will be nessasary so please stop contacting me


- jefferson2166

Anyway what a bunch of drama.
If anyone even thinks of buying from this looser....DON'T!!!!!

I got a few oldschool rodeks I believe E series one of which is a 2150 and two ther smaller ones I think 275? and 235? (plain aluminum finned amp chassis they are in storage so not 100 percent if ya give me a link to what you want I will confirm if its what I got)

As for the ebay sour deal
Theres thousands of people gettin screwed there every day just remeber the old sayin "theres a sucker born every minute" cross your T's and dot your I's guys and ya wont get screwed sorry to hear it happened to ya.
I also agree with dealer loyalty I've been in this industry as an installer over over 11 years now and the clients of mine that have stayed with me always get the best of deals and if they send me more clients they get even better deals. But first time buyin somethin if ya want good service ya gotta ante up a bit and your gonna pay close to msrp and the only break your gonna get on labour is if ya pay cash and bring me beer cold beer
Bottom line good service costs time and time is money we got a shops tools guys and product to cover

safer??? thats not what people including some people on here said. they basically said your screwed if you send a money order , assuming you dont get your item

what are u to do if a money order is sent to the U.S? can you still file for mail fraud and how?

From what I remember of using money orders in the states, you they treat them more like cheques than travellers cheques, which means the bank will usually require them to clear before releasing funds.
Which means that the seller needs a bank account, which means they are traceable.

To file a claim with USPS, you would have to contact them, but I believe that their policy is that anything which is sent by USPS becomes their responsibility to see safely to its destination.
If it is delivered and cashed, then declared as non-recieved then it becomes mail fraud (among other things) and the USPS will usually launch an investigation to see why it was declared as non delivered.

The one time I had an issue with someone screwing me for a money order, I called USPS and gave them the particulars. Three days later I was called back and recieved the cryptic message "Your money will be returned."
Two days later I had a money order back in my hands, express shipped.

I would suggest asking USPS and Canada post what type of guarantees they have on their mail, and money orders in particular.
Things may have changed in the last few years, but they used to take it pretty seriously.

well from talking to canadapost, if a m.o. was lost, they can issue you a new one since it wasnt cashed. but if it was cashed and no item was received, then i think you are out of luck like i was. i mean, if it was cashed and cleard, i cant see canadapost giving money back to the sender of the m.o, but i wish they had in my case

legally, thats a different story. contactin authorities might help to scare them a ittle at least