was that the ones with the fatty surround?
i know i have seen some at walyworld wit a small rolled surround and some at like radioshack with a really fat surround.

Both companies used to be the sh!t in pro and commercial sound... :ohwell:

these days well some of their products look fairly cheesy and of course the power ratings are inflated.... but there isn't anything inherently wrong with the equipment... at least not when compaired to most other mainstream brands out there....

And in the same vein, most of the people who goof on Pyramid for their car audio would be surprised at the commercial and D.J. equipment they make.

Makes me wonder what they were thinking when they decided to branch out.....:dunno:

I think it's a deal where they get the big contracts from places like Future Shop, Best Buy, Canadian Tire, etc but these places want them to build to spec and keep costs down. So they alter their line and basically make lesser of a product than they used to.

That's one of the reasons I went with my Kenwood this time around. Kenwood has enough divisions in the electronics world that they don't need to rely on one particular corner of business to keep the money coming in and can stay true to each independant line they run.

I loved my Alpine 9813, but I don't think their product is quite as good as it used to be either. I'm not saying Alpine sucks or anything, I just think that the sound quality isn't as good as it used to be, paritcularily when you look at their base line. It seems like you have to go top of the line just to get what you once would find at mid level.

^^^^Your right man Alpine is not like how there old school car audio was those were the days:smilie_da