"Street A" rule clarification...
08-17-2004, 12:53 PM
#21
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I will make the point that while dbDrag has a lot of classes to try to accomodate a lot of stereo configurations they are still classes and if one wants to play in their sanctioning body then one should build their car accordingly. If that means removing a battery or changing an amp then that is unfortunate but necessary.
I am building a car for IASCA use. I am building it to fit a certain class. I would think it unreasonable to go to a USAC show or a SLAP show or hell even a dBDrag show and fit perfectly into a class without changing something.
Every sanctioned sport or hobby has classes and rules. dBDrag is no exception.
I am building a car for IASCA use. I am building it to fit a certain class. I would think it unreasonable to go to a USAC show or a SLAP show or hell even a dBDrag show and fit perfectly into a class without changing something.
Every sanctioned sport or hobby has classes and rules. dBDrag is no exception.
08-17-2004, 04:58 PM
#23
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Oh hey I'm not "coming down" on any of you, I was just trying to figure out what my van IS... I'm not choked, hell, it's a "fun" thing not a work or chore thing, I was just asking, and there's no email addys I could find here or at termpro for asking about rule clarification. So I asked here instead (I've never ventured onto the boards at termpro), where I know there's a bunch of you guys that know this stuff. Geez, several times at the two shows the hosts expressed their gratitude at the turn-outs, and asked for more and more! This is a good thing, I thought, let's have some fun with it.
I'm a newbie (or N00B, or Noo-B, take yer pick). I've been to just two drags now, and the first I went to just to look and ended up competing anyway. I'm not looking to be #1, I just wanted to have some fun.
After the Aug. 8th show, Ray noticed my second battery and asked about it. I had no idea it wasn't allowed, I hadn't read the rules yet, all I knew was what I had been told that day, one sub / one amp, no motor running, which I met. He said don't worry about it, the rules are pretty lax today, but the "big show" at the end of the month, I'll have to comply for that.
So okay, I go read the rulebook to figure out where I fall, and I have a couple questions, and I asked. I'm not trying to find loopholes, or how to "squeek" my van under a rule... I was just asking what my van was, I couldn't tell myself.
So, don't be flippin' on me for not taking your post as someone that knows, I mean, look at it:
I'm sorry, but it looks like a post from a 15 year-old poser. You have no indication that you're someone that would know, I don't know you. I still don't know if you're just some guy with an opinion or if you're a judge or what. I'm not a mind-reader.
So I read on.
I read the rules, no one "said" that to me. I didn't see anywhere in the rules that said I HAVE to have this, that and the other thing, I read it as if I had this, that, and two of the other things, it would just put me in the next class, not disallow me altogether. My mistake. Now I know, thanks.
One other thing about that though... what about this?
Hey look, I can read.
That STILL tells me I can have two batteries, or twenty, or fifty if I like, since I do not run the vehicle in any of these classes we've been talking about. An exception is what it is, an exception. I'm just looking for the answer man.
If I'm told (by someone that actually knows) that no, the exception does not apply for some specified reason, then yes, if I wish to continue competing I will reduce it to a one battery van for shows. But I'm not gonna go to all that hassle if I can keep it as is, and still be fully obeying the rules. Capish?
1) Thank-you, a straight answer. I thought maybe if I changed some things they'd let it go, but okay, it's a cargo van now and forever. No problem.
2) Not according to above... Dude just said that I HAVE to have this that and the other thing, having two "other things" would disqualify me, not bump me into another class. Who should I believe now hmmm? And then there's the all mighty exception, pulled straight from yon rule book.
3) I see you're right about that. Thanks.
"Love of the game". Well I'm trying man, I've got the bug now. I was just asking what class I fall in, but hey, love's a lot of work, I'll work at it. But all this grief for asking a simple or question or two? Yup, that's how to get more competitors involved, ya-huh.
Exactly. I am just trying to follow the rules, only I needed help interpreting them. Looks like I'm not the only one in this situation.
No problem. I'll remove it to make Street Max 1/2 instead of 3/4, if I find out that that exception does not apply to me, which in my learnings of the english language, it does.
I'm a newbie (or N00B, or Noo-B, take yer pick). I've been to just two drags now, and the first I went to just to look and ended up competing anyway. I'm not looking to be #1, I just wanted to have some fun.
After the Aug. 8th show, Ray noticed my second battery and asked about it. I had no idea it wasn't allowed, I hadn't read the rules yet, all I knew was what I had been told that day, one sub / one amp, no motor running, which I met. He said don't worry about it, the rules are pretty lax today, but the "big show" at the end of the month, I'll have to comply for that.
So okay, I go read the rulebook to figure out where I fall, and I have a couple questions, and I asked. I'm not trying to find loopholes, or how to "squeek" my van under a rule... I was just asking what my van was, I couldn't tell myself.
So, don't be flippin' on me for not taking your post as someone that knows, I mean, look at it:
his in super street no wall with that extra battery. not a street class.
So I read on.
also let me note that u are NOT in street max 3-4. whoever said that is way off. extra battery does not put u in street max 3-4. db drag classes go by number or subs,amps and batteries. NOT only batteries, NOT only subs and NOT only amps. so if u have 2 subs, 2 amps and 2 batteries then u must look for a class that allows/requires EXACTLY that. if u read the rules again u will find a table that indicates the things u MUST have to be in a certain class. SO...........
with that extra battery u are in super street 1-2 no wall. and without it u are in street max 1-2.
with that extra battery u are in super street 1-2 no wall. and without it u are in street max 1-2.
One other thing about that though... what about this?
Contestants competing in the Street and Street Max Divisions are prohibited from running their vehicles while in the judging lanes.
· The sound system in the vehicle must be powered by the vehicle’s primary electrical system. This system, which is comprised of the alternator(s), battery (or batteries), and distribution system, must in turn be powered by the vehicle’s engine.
Exception:
o Compliance with this guideline is not required provided the vehicle’s engine is not running while the vehicle is being metered.
· The sound system in the vehicle must be powered by the vehicle’s primary electrical system. This system, which is comprised of the alternator(s), battery (or batteries), and distribution system, must in turn be powered by the vehicle’s engine.
Exception:
o Compliance with this guideline is not required provided the vehicle’s engine is not running while the vehicle is being metered.
That STILL tells me I can have two batteries, or twenty, or fifty if I like, since I do not run the vehicle in any of these classes we've been talking about. An exception is what it is, an exception. I'm just looking for the answer man.
If I'm told (by someone that actually knows) that no, the exception does not apply for some specified reason, then yes, if I wish to continue competing I will reduce it to a one battery van for shows. But I'm not gonna go to all that hassle if I can keep it as is, and still be fully obeying the rules. Capish?
1 - No. If it was made to be a cargo van, it's a cargo van. Sorry
2 - You CAN keep your coach battery. It just changest you to Super Street 1-2 NW
3 - I don't believe there are any certified Drag judges that come on to this board on a regular basis. You'll probably want to ask this over on Termpro. However there ARE enough people here who have been doing this for a while, so they do know what they're talking about.
2 - You CAN keep your coach battery. It just changest you to Super Street 1-2 NW
3 - I don't believe there are any certified Drag judges that come on to this board on a regular basis. You'll probably want to ask this over on Termpro. However there ARE enough people here who have been doing this for a while, so they do know what they're talking about.
2) Not according to above... Dude just said that I HAVE to have this that and the other thing, having two "other things" would disqualify me, not bump me into another class. Who should I believe now hmmm? And then there's the all mighty exception, pulled straight from yon rule book.
3) I see you're right about that. Thanks.
"Love of the game". Well I'm trying man, I've got the bug now. I was just asking what class I fall in, but hey, love's a lot of work, I'll work at it. But all this grief for asking a simple or question or two? Yup, that's how to get more competitors involved, ya-huh.
Well it is supposed to be fun, but it isn't fun if people don't follow the designated rules.
Would you want to get stomped by someone who didn't think he had to follow the rules?
Would you want to get stomped by someone who didn't think he had to follow the rules?
I will make the point that while dbDrag has a lot of classes to try to accomodate a lot of stereo configurations they are still classes and if one wants to play in their sanctioning body then one should build their car accordingly. If that means removing a battery or changing an amp then that is unfortunate but necessary.
08-17-2004, 05:34 PM
#24
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Hey man...Call Ray in Edmonton seeing as he's the certified judge your dealing with the most and trust me,if he doesn't like what he see's,he'll DQ ya. His number at FX Audio is 1-780-422-6666.
Also feel free to get a hold of me if you like.I dont know the rule book off the top of my head,but I would be happy to see what we might be able to do to help ya out in someway.I have some ideas for you van, but I want to run them past you and Ray first to get your thoughts.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Also feel free to get a hold of me if you like.I dont know the rule book off the top of my head,but I would be happy to see what we might be able to do to help ya out in someway.I have some ideas for you van, but I want to run them past you and Ray first to get your thoughts.
Hope to hear from you soon.
08-17-2004, 05:50 PM
#25
The exception you are talking about applies to Super Street and Extreme cars. Since many of them run 16 volt setups, some just charge the batteries off of a charger (while they are not in the lanes) instead of getting a 16 volt alternator. Since that would not part of the vehicles primary electrical system, this rule needs to be in place. Unfortunatly it doesn't apply to the street or street max classes. The car must be off and the stereo must be run off of the battery under your hood.
I would just disconnect the battery at the back and compete in Street Max 1-2. Or if you really want to, you could leave your car running and (as long as the box is under the window line) you could compete in Super Street 1-2.
I would just disconnect the battery at the back and compete in Street Max 1-2. Or if you really want to, you could leave your car running and (as long as the box is under the window line) you could compete in Super Street 1-2.
08-17-2004, 06:08 PM
#27
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I will make the point that while dbDrag has a lot of classes to try to accomodate a lot of stereo configurations they are still classes and if one wants to play in their sanctioning body then one should build their car accordingly. If that means removing a battery or changing an amp then that is unfortunate but necessary.
I am building a car for IASCA use. I am building it to fit a certain class. I would think it unreasonable to go to a USAC show or a SLAP show or hell even a dBDrag show and fit perfectly into a class without changing something.
Every sanctioned sport or hobby has classes and rules. dBDrag is no exception.
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Paul Niwranski
Blow your mind - port your box..
D R A G U L A
Let us prey...
MOPAR or NO CAR!
I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter...
Great Point of view.... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I will make the point that while dbDrag has a lot of classes to try to accomodate a lot of stereo configurations they are still classes and if one wants to play in their sanctioning body then one should build their car accordingly. If that means removing a battery or changing an amp then that is unfortunate but necessary.
I am building a car for IASCA use. I am building it to fit a certain class. I would think it unreasonable to go to a USAC show or a SLAP show or hell even a dBDrag show and fit perfectly into a class without changing something.
Every sanctioned sport or hobby has classes and rules. dBDrag is no exception.
--------------------
Paul Niwranski
Blow your mind - port your box..
D R A G U L A
Let us prey...
MOPAR or NO CAR!
I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter...
Great Point of view.... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
08-17-2004, 07:24 PM
#28
GRIZZ....
the best answer to your questions is to consult the rules posted on www.dbdragracing.com -- I always keep a copy on my computer's desktop.
If this does not work e-mail Wayne Harris, the owner of DB Drag and ask him -- I had to consult him on the topic of quad coils -- the man knows what he is doing.
the best answer to your questions is to consult the rules posted on www.dbdragracing.com -- I always keep a copy on my computer's desktop.
If this does not work e-mail Wayne Harris, the owner of DB Drag and ask him -- I had to consult him on the topic of quad coils -- the man knows what he is doing.
08-17-2004, 08:32 PM
#30
Yuli: if you believe me unintelligent, then you are simply misinformed, you seem to have something against me because my oppinion on what constitutes proper installing technique differs from your "whatever gets the job done" theory.
I asked on Termpro for clarification on whether remotes have to be wireless or if they can be wired, since this is NOT clearly addressed in the writen rules. I have noticed that on many occasions, rules are waived for american competitors who "get loud", but more rules are made up which are "unwritten" for non-american competitors.
I base my oppinion on dBdrags after reading the termpro forum. Seeing posts by internationally respected competitors who are suddenly disqualified by wayne, or steve's orders, because their install is "against the the unwritten rules of dBdrags" or because they are different than standard american installs, so they don't understand it.
I've read, understood and complied with the dBdrags rules before, and after reading them, I've seen many gray areas, any many rules that are too specific, and leave much room for interperetation. Much of the problem I have with dBdrags is that the rules aren't the rules, they're part of the rules; and the rest you have to find out as you go, and if your system violates a rule that's unwritten, well, sorry, you're out of luck, you should have read Wayne's mind. I guess I just have trouble accepting the whole "because I said so" when the question is about something that isn't in the rules, and is open for interperetation.
IF you have a problem with my oppinion, then you're entitled to that. But to question my intelligence because my oppinion puts into question your integrity, and your ability to reason.
I asked on Termpro for clarification on whether remotes have to be wireless or if they can be wired, since this is NOT clearly addressed in the writen rules. I have noticed that on many occasions, rules are waived for american competitors who "get loud", but more rules are made up which are "unwritten" for non-american competitors.
I base my oppinion on dBdrags after reading the termpro forum. Seeing posts by internationally respected competitors who are suddenly disqualified by wayne, or steve's orders, because their install is "against the the unwritten rules of dBdrags" or because they are different than standard american installs, so they don't understand it.
I've read, understood and complied with the dBdrags rules before, and after reading them, I've seen many gray areas, any many rules that are too specific, and leave much room for interperetation. Much of the problem I have with dBdrags is that the rules aren't the rules, they're part of the rules; and the rest you have to find out as you go, and if your system violates a rule that's unwritten, well, sorry, you're out of luck, you should have read Wayne's mind. I guess I just have trouble accepting the whole "because I said so" when the question is about something that isn't in the rules, and is open for interperetation.
IF you have a problem with my oppinion, then you're entitled to that. But to question my intelligence because my oppinion puts into question your integrity, and your ability to reason.
