Whats YOUR defination of an "Amateur Competitor"?
So.... by that logic I would have been a Pro before ever entering a single show?
I first competed with an Inhuman and a D2 and was scoring 146/147ish. Not XSCargo gear and over the 145 limit.
I did the entire install on my own and designed the box on my own. The only help I got was that I asked someone about box volume.
It doesn't seem quite fair that I would have been classified as a pro because I took the time to do some reasearch before trying to compete. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
I first competed with an Inhuman and a D2 and was scoring 146/147ish. Not XSCargo gear and over the 145 limit.
I did the entire install on my own and designed the box on my own. The only help I got was that I asked someone about box volume.
It doesn't seem quite fair that I would have been classified as a pro because I took the time to do some reasearch before trying to compete. [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
u see at this point its not a pro vs. amature anymore. that hole idea is BS. a 145 db spl cut off would be just that - a spl level cut off. being below or above doesnt make u a pro or non pro. it would make you loud or not so loud.
loud guys go against loud guys and not loud guys go against not loud guys. fair for everyone. no pro vs amature bs.
loud guys go against loud guys and not loud guys go against not loud guys. fair for everyone. no pro vs amature bs.
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my .02. the only amatuer is the first year competitor. period. not db. not industry affiliations not anything else. how many guys have we all seen who worked in the business that couldn't hit s**t? i know i've seen it a hundred times. to arbitrarily decide who is and isn't because you may be pi$$ed off that you got staged with a pro once is totally uncalled for.
if that is the way you want to do it your going to find that know one is going to come to any show you have anything to do with danno.
if that is the way you want to do it your going to find that know one is going to come to any show you have anything to do with danno.
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Originally posted by t raver1 smith:
my .02. the only amatuer is the first year competitor. period. not db. not industry affiliations not anything else. how many guys have we all seen who worked in the business that couldn't hit s**t? i know i've seen it a hundred times. to arbitrarily decide who is and isn't because you may be pi$$ed off that you got staged with a pro once is totally uncalled for.
if that is the way you want to do it your going to find that know one is going to come to any show you have anything to do with danno.
my .02. the only amatuer is the first year competitor. period. not db. not industry affiliations not anything else. how many guys have we all seen who worked in the business that couldn't hit s**t? i know i've seen it a hundred times. to arbitrarily decide who is and isn't because you may be pi$$ed off that you got staged with a pro once is totally uncalled for.
if that is the way you want to do it your going to find that know one is going to come to any show you have anything to do with danno.
I was talking to someone last night and they had mentioned this....
1st year competitor= Amateur (regardless of score/gear)
2nd year competitor= Intermediate
3rd + year competitor= Pro
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if we are talking about competition, 1st year would be bginner with no indusrty affiliation, after that amateur forever of until suchtime as you become industry affiliated. you shouldnt have to be pro just because you have 50k to spend on a a system and someone else doeant. we have done many, what some may call expensive systems, while others might call it not exspensive. they arent sponsored, they paid for their system just like others. their first year, if they choose, should be basic or beginner, and the following year should be intermediate or advanced, or amatuer or whatever the next level would be. that is where you would stay forever until you get sponsored in some way.
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Back in the late 90's IASCA had the same issues. It went somthing to the tune of this:
Your first year, as long as your not affiliated with the industry you can compete Novice. The second year of competition you go to Amateur and are allowed to stay there unless you either become affiliated or win finals (I think).
Any one who is affiliated is automatically Pro. Its a sucky thing, but its they way it worked. 95% of the time, if you were competing and involved in the industry, you definatly had an advantage over the common competitor. That may be in gear deals, knowlage and support from distributors/manufactures etc. Then if you won as a Pro your bumped into Expert.
I still remember many times where people wanted to automatically place me in Pro class just because I was a consitant winner at shows. How is that fair? I was an amateur in every deffinition of the word.
Good discussion. Unfortunatly its one of those things that is way to open to personal bias and will never really get a concrete answer.
[ June 13, 2005, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Fat Whacker ]
Your first year, as long as your not affiliated with the industry you can compete Novice. The second year of competition you go to Amateur and are allowed to stay there unless you either become affiliated or win finals (I think).
Any one who is affiliated is automatically Pro. Its a sucky thing, but its they way it worked. 95% of the time, if you were competing and involved in the industry, you definatly had an advantage over the common competitor. That may be in gear deals, knowlage and support from distributors/manufactures etc. Then if you won as a Pro your bumped into Expert.
I still remember many times where people wanted to automatically place me in Pro class just because I was a consitant winner at shows. How is that fair? I was an amateur in every deffinition of the word.
Good discussion. Unfortunatly its one of those things that is way to open to personal bias and will never really get a concrete answer.
[ June 13, 2005, 10:24 AM: Message edited by: Fat Whacker ]
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At one time pro's had access to information only other pro's could know, wither that or they were elite amateur's such as Harry Kimura or Todd Matsubara and bascially had access to the same info.
Nowadays with the internet, most competing amateur's are more knowledgable than non competing pros, and can get equipment for maybe 5-10% higher than the average installer. I don't really see a need for differentiation now, it has worked for dB Drag.
Nowadays with the internet, most competing amateur's are more knowledgable than non competing pros, and can get equipment for maybe 5-10% higher than the average installer. I don't really see a need for differentiation now, it has worked for dB Drag.
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instead of seperating the "amateurs" so they dont get beat to hell by "non amateurs" maybe, like what was mentioned previously, a mini street class. But not 1 sub. 2 sub ect... cone area like IASCA.
I hardley think its fair to put 2-15's against 2-10's in a "mini street" class. Yes I know 2 10's can easily beat 2-15's but the guy who enters for the very first time may think its unfair.
I hardley think its fair to put 2-15's against 2-10's in a "mini street" class. Yes I know 2 10's can easily beat 2-15's but the guy who enters for the very first time may think its unfair.
