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Father Yuli 06-03-2010 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by DUMPED (Post 580008)
question for you Yuli,

why does a publication (PAS) need to sponsor the event?
they are a publication and they provide coverage, isnt that what publications are supposed to do?

what about TFOne? Why dont they sponsor the event?

Whether Canada deserves a location is not in question... hell yes they deserve it.. FOR SURE... but can it be pulled off and have it be successful is a different question. The answer unfortunately is NO it cannot.

As for having seen finals in the last couple of years and how horrible they have been I've had the opportunity to do that first hand. Bottom line is this...

-location in CALI is going to be a FLOP
-location in Toronto is going to be a FLOP
-location in FL will have a "decent" turnout and I am being very liberal when I say that.

-the NY location is the ONLY shot we have at having a decent turnout and good results from. big ups to the PSYCHOS for stepping up and wanting to make it happen.

i dont see how publishing an article about an event 2 months after it happened is any way of promoting it......?????

why does a publication need to sponsor an event???? lol, why does anyone need to sponsor anything then?

but, i can even asnwer your question about publication sponsoring an event. they can sponsor it, put some money towards trophies or whatever. Had they had a smart marketing director they would have worked with Psyco Canada and have arranged a booth/table/anything at all of the Psyco events where they could be selling subscriptions. With more subscriptions they get bigger reach and more page views.......what do you know, that works out to them being able to sell even more advertising pages. very simple, yet an untapped approach. they need a new marketing and PR person. tell them go give me a call.

something similar could be worked out with Db Drag, where with every db drag membership you can get subscription for cheap. again, not so difficult.

how do you know TFOne isnt sposoring the event? and if TFOne isnt sponsoring the event it's cuz they cant afford it. unfortunatelly TFOne doesnt sell hundreds of pages of advertising space. I wish tho.

what do you mean by flop? there wont be 100 competitors?

Father Yuli 06-03-2010 03:01 PM

bottom line is this,

with out participants everything is a flop. and the way to get participats is to actively promote.

there are 3 promotional avenues the way i see it - online (this website), individual shops, and a printed publication.

this website doesnt reach 100% of local car audio enthusiasts, sooooooo who's gonna pick up the slack?

Soundigital 06-03-2010 04:07 PM

So, Mr. Dumped

Competitors in the west will need to drive to Toronto in order to compete, instead of driving to Cali?

haha

psychoacoustics 06-03-2010 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by muriloalvares (Post 580073)
So, Mr. Dumped

Competitors in the west will need to drive to Toronto in order to compete, instead of driving to Cali?

haha

the Canadian event would be only for CANADIANS...
if Canadians chose to go to Cali they can do so...
but US contestants cannot compete in toronto

DUMPED 06-03-2010 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by muriloalvares (Post 580073)
So, Mr. Dumped

Competitors in the west will need to drive to Toronto in order to compete, instead of driving to Cali?

haha

nope I did not say that Mr Alvares..
I said that US competitors are not permitted to compete at the Canadian location.
there was nothing said about Canadian competitors not being able to travel to the US locations...

and for the record Yuli,I think TFOne cant poney up a few bucks to support the sport in which its part of.

as for the publications participation at the event and your "idea" of setting up a table and "booth" and selling subsctiptions..yada yada yada... been done many many times... does nothing and the return is not worthwhile.

So once again this whole idea of a publication Sponsoring a location is WORTHLESS
Do you see other publications Sponsoring other locations in the US or Europe.... let me answer that for you.... NO...

Bottom line is this.. if the event is to have a remote chance let alone succeed it needs to have competitors. And not 20 or 30, which I wouldnt see that being the case from a World Finals standpoint.

Like I said, NY is the best bet for the East Coast at this time and heres to hoping that the Psychos pull it off.

Soundigital 06-03-2010 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by psychoacoustics (Post 580074)
the Canadian event would be only for CANADIANS...
if Canadians chose to go to Cali they can do so...
but US contestants cannot compete in toronto

Oh ok,

anyway, hat's off for you guys for making this happen. :thumbsup:

Soundigital 06-03-2010 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by DUMPED (Post 580077)
nope I did not say that Mr Alvares..
I said that US competitors are not permitted to compete at the Canadian location.
there was nothing said about Canadian competitors not being able to travel to the US locations...

as for the publications participation at the event and your "idea" of setting up a table and "booth" and selling subsctiptions..yada yada yada... been done many many times... does nothing and the return is not worthwhile.

Thanks for the clarification George, (but this is what you said "1. Canadian competitors are only allowed to compete at the Canadian location")

Now regarding that sentence, some audio companies also use it when they are asked to sponsor a show, but they do it anyway for the sake of the so called "sport". Tough times.

Father Yuli 06-03-2010 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by DUMPED (Post 580077)
nope I did not say that Mr Alvares..
I said that US competitors are not permitted to compete at the Canadian location.
there was nothing said about Canadian competitors not being able to travel to the US locations...

and for the record Yuli,I think TFOne cant poney up a few bucks to support the sport in which its part of.

as for the publications participation at the event and your "idea" of setting up a table and "booth" and selling subsctiptions..yada yada yada... been done many many times... does nothing and the return is not worthwhile.

So once again this whole idea of a publication Sponsoring a location is WORTHLESS
Do you see other publications Sponsoring other locations in the US or Europe.... let me answer that for you.... NO...

Bottom line is this.. if the event is to have a remote chance let alone succeed it needs to have competitors. And not 20 or 30, which I wouldnt see that being the case from a World Finals standpoint.

Like I said, NY is the best bet for the East Coast at this time and heres to hoping that the Psychos pull it off.

so what you are saying is that PAS mag will gladly sell its content which it does not pay for in any way, shape or form, but it will not pony up a few bucks to help put this show on.......which will end up as part of the content, which will then be sold to the very own people mentioned IN that content........while making money selling advertising space to the companies who might be actually sponsoring the event to display those ads to the people who would already buy that equipment anyways??

that's a nice scheme as well, is PAS mag owned by Wayne Harris?

and the fact that LACK OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT = LACK OF EVENTS (any event) = LACK OF CONTENT which in turn will reduce any magazine (including PAS) to nothing but hundreds of pages of advertising and product reviews (advertising again) does not cross anyone's mind?

setting up a booth/table brings nothing in return? what is a better way to reach your target audience than that? someone over there is not doing their job. obviously no magazine makes money on selling subscription, it's all advertising dollars. i dont know what gives a magazine more bargaining power than it's reach and unique pages views????? tell us please.

you said it has been done??????? in all my years of attending shows (probably hundreds of shows in Canada and NE USA) not once I had actually seen PAS there. Unless it was finals or daytone in which case you'd be there collecting free content without ANY contribution to what produces that content. shameful.

i find it very shameful that a company like PAS mag would only go so far as to show up at an event and give out free coppies of a magazine from 4 months ago. insulting if you ask me.

JohnVroom 06-03-2010 05:11 PM

Sponsorship money is slim, anyone who can or does do anything should be applauded. In MECA, we offer a PAS subscription to our members as part of their membership package (this is how we work with PAS so everyone's back gets scratched). I do not think anyone is obligated to do anything but those who do should be rewarded.

I am intrigued that dBdrag is doing their finals more or less with IASCA who moved their finals to a relatively unpopular time of year (others words not mine). I think it does a good job of redefining the competition year and keeps things from getting stale... now if USACi could only schedule their Finals to not be on the same weekend as MECAs (10 years running)

Soundigital 06-03-2010 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by JohnVroom (Post 580088)
I am intrigued that dBdrag is doing their finals more or less with IASCA who moved their finals to a relatively unpopular time of year (others words not mine). I think it does a good job of redefining the competition year and keeps things from getting stale... now if USACi could only schedule their Finals to not be on the same weekend as MECAs (10 years running)

Well, I was at both orgs last finals and dB drag finals had only a couple cars in the street classes, which are supposed to be popular, while IASCA had a wait of 30 minutes in the line in order to compete in most of their classes... It was embarrassing.


I had in my mind "if this happens again next year dB drag will be gone in US"


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