IASCA's IDBL vs DB Drags
07-05-2003, 09:41 PM
#21
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sorry maybe my words were too harsh, you are completely right, it is hard to have faith in a show that runs 3-4 hours behind. heck i planed for Krazy Eddies on the 14 and 15(aug) and now that it took me 2 weeks to hassle my boss about letting me off so i can goto that show, finally my boss ok's it and then i get a call from Krazy eddies saying that it' s changed to 21-22. Well that's as good as i could do. monday i gotta wrestle my boss to change my vacation days again. But don't worry, i'm a big guy and i out weigh him by about 200lbs. So most likely i'll be at Krazy Eddies. See you all there.
07-06-2003, 01:08 AM
#22
One thing to keep in mind, is that the retailers that hold shows (IASCA, DB Drags etc.) go through a great expense and time for us to show off. We can all sit back and play referee, and complain...at least some peolpe are trying to make a difference, hold shows, create some hype...we should respect that. Some shows are run better than others, just respect them a little more. Cheers...
07-06-2003, 01:59 AM
#23
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Another thing is let's just continue to be happy there are shows being put on for us to play and compete with our ridiculous stereo obsession. So whether it's db drag, iasca, usac, slap or whatever, it's all good because it's just one more place to fool around with our stereos right? And, after all, that's what we build the stupid things for right?
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
07-06-2003, 07:31 AM
#24
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Originally posted by Westec:
One thing to keep in mind, is that the retailers that hold shows (IASCA, DB Drags etc.) go through a great expense and time for us to show off. We can all sit back and play referee, and complain...at least some peolpe are trying to make a difference, hold shows, create some hype...we should respect that. Some shows are run better than others, just respect them a little more. Cheers...
One thing to keep in mind, is that the retailers that hold shows (IASCA, DB Drags etc.) go through a great expense and time for us to show off. We can all sit back and play referee, and complain...at least some peolpe are trying to make a difference, hold shows, create some hype...we should respect that. Some shows are run better than others, just respect them a little more. Cheers...
i know its about fun, not money, i totally agree, but 1 getting the trip paid for in the end, and 2 not having to worry about if ur gonna miss a payment on some bill, seem to make it alot more fun for me,
as of right now there are 2 shows this year that i am planning on attending and competing, DWVWs show in the hat, and the auto temp show here in calgary,
even tho they arent db drags at least im sure ill find other ways to amuse myself if they start getting to the point where i just wanna go home....
definately props to retailers and shops who put on shows, but u cant blame competitors if they dont wanna come out to throw money they dont have away, or they dont want to spend 12 hours at a 4 hour event. it is afterall the retailers job to satisfy customers right? how likely are u to go back to a store after u stood there being ignored for an hour while 2 salesmen talked about what they did that weekend?? same kinda thing in my opinion...
07-06-2003, 07:41 AM
#25
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Originally posted by Green Hornet:
Another thing is let's just continue to be happy there are shows being put on for us to play and compete with our ridiculous stereo obsession. So whether it's db drag, iasca, usac, slap or whatever, it's all good because it's just one more place to fool around with our stereos right? And, after all, that's what we build the stupid things for right?
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
Another thing is let's just continue to be happy there are shows being put on for us to play and compete with our ridiculous stereo obsession. So whether it's db drag, iasca, usac, slap or whatever, it's all good because it's just one more place to fool around with our stereos right? And, after all, that's what we build the stupid things for right?
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
07-06-2003, 03:50 PM
#26
Originally posted by Green Hornet:
Another thing is let's just continue to be happy there are shows being put on for us to play and compete with our ridiculous stereo obsession. So whether it's db drag, iasca, usac, slap or whatever, it's all good because it's just one more place to fool around with our stereos right? And, after all, that's what we build the stupid things for right?
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
Another thing is let's just continue to be happy there are shows being put on for us to play and compete with our ridiculous stereo obsession. So whether it's db drag, iasca, usac, slap or whatever, it's all good because it's just one more place to fool around with our stereos right? And, after all, that's what we build the stupid things for right?
So, the more critical we are about rules, and times of starting, and classes... the less chance we are going to have to burp our bass monsters, and when you think about it.... that's all we do this for, well, I will speak for myself, that's the only damn reason I do it for, is to go to a comp and burp.
One comment on starting times though, you have to keep in consideration the out of towners, they might just make your show, and also it takes a hell of alot longer to get a show rolling than any of us realize, so just have a little patience fellas, these shows always get started and they are usually worth the wait.
07-07-2003, 07:56 AM
#27
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This is an awesome thread!!!
Hats off to all of you for some thought provoking insights and honest discussion without any "bashing"!
Being a retailer and show promoter myself, I can honestly say that it is really tough and a huge drain on your time and wallet putting a show together; but it is so worth it!!! Just to see guys and girls get together for a day (or weekend) of fun and healthy competition, sharing the common bond of car audio competition whether it's SPL or SQ makes it all worthwhile. Although I can't speak for all retailers, I can say for myself that the main reason I do the shows I do is for you all, so we all have a place to play and that should be what it's all about at every show, IMO.
As far as the differences in the rules of the different orgs is concerned, everyone should do themselves the favor and review the rule books from each org. They're really not all that different, with the exception of how classes are broken down. These orgs, whether it's dB Drag, IASCA/IdBL, MECA, SLAP, USACi, NSPL or whoever are not perfect... they all try their best but none of them can please everyone. An example was cited about IdBL where the guy had one amp and two subs in a basic "stock" setup but was bumped to advanced class because he worked for a shop, and that's one of the "grey" areas that IdBL has tried to address with the advanced no wall class. There are many other examples with different orgs, I know of one fella that was bumped from street 1-2 class in dB Drag to super street 1-2 class because his box was 3/4's of an inch higher than the bottom of the glass in his SUV; this was considered a "wall" in the judge's eyes. He was running two 10's and one amp hitting in the high 40's and now he was competing against competitors with two 18's and four amps with a wall hitting 60's. Needless to say he wasn't happy but he competed anyway because he loves to compete.
We can find flaws in all the competition orgs. But that's not the point; the point is going out and having fun, whether we win or don't win. These organizations can't be perfect nor can we expect them to be; we just have to go out and have fun because these organizations do what they do for us, so we can have a place to play, have fun and show pride in all our hard work and accomplishments. That's what we have to focus on, the positives... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I hear what you're saying when it comes to getting a show started when you say it's going to start... there's nothing more frustrating. The only thing I can do is give you some insight from a show promoter's perspective and please keep in mind I'm not bashing anyone, these are just some of the hurdles we face as the organizers of shows. We do our best to get things going on time like getting up at 6am to get to the competition grounds to have everything ready to go by 9 am. We get the registration tables, the tents, meters and displays set up, coordinate the lane set up and the schedules for all the "stuff" that happens that day and if it wasn't for the volunteers that come out to help, we wouldn't be ready until 9 pm rather than 9 am. We set registration times from 9am until 11am (as an example) and state that the show will start at 11 am sharp and are usually ready to go at 9 am for all the competitors to come in and register, and we do it gladly. However, and I am as guilty as the next guy because I have to admit I've done it on a couple of occasions myself, we as competitors show up between 10:45 and 11 am to register (the very last minute), so we can either get in that extra few minutes of sleep or we have other things going on in the morning, and expect the show to start at 11 am sharp. So as the show organizers we sit around from 9 am until 10:30 to 10:45 waiting for everyone to show up and at 10:30 we have a flood of people at the registration table. Then it takes us about an hour or more to get everyone registered, set up the classes, inspect all the cars competing and get the show going. Now the show starts at noon (or sometimes later) and we're an hour or so behind schedule.
Please, please, please don't think I'm bashing or blaming anyone here, that it absolutely NOT the case... I'm not intentionally pointing any fingers, I'm just trying to give you all an idea of what we as show promoters go through in order to put on a show. There are many other things that come into play and the last thing I want to do is focus on negatives, it's just that we have so many things to focus on to get the show going it sometimes gets overwhelming and we do our best to start on time. And sometimes it just doesn't happen that way.
If any of you have some feedback I'd love to hear it. I hope I've given you some insight and I welcome your responses.
Hats off to all of you for some thought provoking insights and honest discussion without any "bashing"!
Being a retailer and show promoter myself, I can honestly say that it is really tough and a huge drain on your time and wallet putting a show together; but it is so worth it!!! Just to see guys and girls get together for a day (or weekend) of fun and healthy competition, sharing the common bond of car audio competition whether it's SPL or SQ makes it all worthwhile. Although I can't speak for all retailers, I can say for myself that the main reason I do the shows I do is for you all, so we all have a place to play and that should be what it's all about at every show, IMO.
As far as the differences in the rules of the different orgs is concerned, everyone should do themselves the favor and review the rule books from each org. They're really not all that different, with the exception of how classes are broken down. These orgs, whether it's dB Drag, IASCA/IdBL, MECA, SLAP, USACi, NSPL or whoever are not perfect... they all try their best but none of them can please everyone. An example was cited about IdBL where the guy had one amp and two subs in a basic "stock" setup but was bumped to advanced class because he worked for a shop, and that's one of the "grey" areas that IdBL has tried to address with the advanced no wall class. There are many other examples with different orgs, I know of one fella that was bumped from street 1-2 class in dB Drag to super street 1-2 class because his box was 3/4's of an inch higher than the bottom of the glass in his SUV; this was considered a "wall" in the judge's eyes. He was running two 10's and one amp hitting in the high 40's and now he was competing against competitors with two 18's and four amps with a wall hitting 60's. Needless to say he wasn't happy but he competed anyway because he loves to compete.
We can find flaws in all the competition orgs. But that's not the point; the point is going out and having fun, whether we win or don't win. These organizations can't be perfect nor can we expect them to be; we just have to go out and have fun because these organizations do what they do for us, so we can have a place to play, have fun and show pride in all our hard work and accomplishments. That's what we have to focus on, the positives... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I hear what you're saying when it comes to getting a show started when you say it's going to start... there's nothing more frustrating. The only thing I can do is give you some insight from a show promoter's perspective and please keep in mind I'm not bashing anyone, these are just some of the hurdles we face as the organizers of shows. We do our best to get things going on time like getting up at 6am to get to the competition grounds to have everything ready to go by 9 am. We get the registration tables, the tents, meters and displays set up, coordinate the lane set up and the schedules for all the "stuff" that happens that day and if it wasn't for the volunteers that come out to help, we wouldn't be ready until 9 pm rather than 9 am. We set registration times from 9am until 11am (as an example) and state that the show will start at 11 am sharp and are usually ready to go at 9 am for all the competitors to come in and register, and we do it gladly. However, and I am as guilty as the next guy because I have to admit I've done it on a couple of occasions myself, we as competitors show up between 10:45 and 11 am to register (the very last minute), so we can either get in that extra few minutes of sleep or we have other things going on in the morning, and expect the show to start at 11 am sharp. So as the show organizers we sit around from 9 am until 10:30 to 10:45 waiting for everyone to show up and at 10:30 we have a flood of people at the registration table. Then it takes us about an hour or more to get everyone registered, set up the classes, inspect all the cars competing and get the show going. Now the show starts at noon (or sometimes later) and we're an hour or so behind schedule.
Please, please, please don't think I'm bashing or blaming anyone here, that it absolutely NOT the case... I'm not intentionally pointing any fingers, I'm just trying to give you all an idea of what we as show promoters go through in order to put on a show. There are many other things that come into play and the last thing I want to do is focus on negatives, it's just that we have so many things to focus on to get the show going it sometimes gets overwhelming and we do our best to start on time. And sometimes it just doesn't happen that way.
If any of you have some feedback I'd love to hear it. I hope I've given you some insight and I welcome your responses.
07-08-2003, 05:48 AM
#29
Originally posted by Moe Sab:
This is an awesome thread!!!
Hats off to all of you for some thought provoking insights and honest discussion without any "bashing"!
Being a retailer and show promoter myself, I can honestly say that it is really tough and a huge drain on your time and wallet putting a show together; but it is so worth it!!! Just to see guys and girls get together for a day (or weekend) of fun and healthy competition, sharing the common bond of car audio competition whether it's SPL or SQ makes it all worthwhile. Although I can't speak for all retailers, I can say for myself that the main reason I do the shows I do is for you all, so we all have a place to play and that should be what it's all about at every show, IMO.
As far as the differences in the rules of the different orgs is concerned, everyone should do themselves the favor and review the rule books from each org. They're really not all that different, with the exception of how classes are broken down. These orgs, whether it's dB Drag, IASCA/IdBL, MECA, SLAP, USACi, NSPL or whoever are not perfect... they all try their best but none of them can please everyone. An example was cited about IdBL where the guy had one amp and two subs in a basic "stock" setup but was bumped to advanced class because he worked for a shop, and that's one of the "grey" areas that IdBL has tried to address with the advanced no wall class. There are many other examples with different orgs, I know of one fella that was bumped from street 1-2 class in dB Drag to super street 1-2 class because his box was 3/4's of an inch higher than the bottom of the glass in his SUV; this was considered a "wall" in the judge's eyes. He was running two 10's and one amp hitting in the high 40's and now he was competing against competitors with two 18's and four amps with a wall hitting 60's. Needless to say he wasn't happy but he competed anyway because he loves to compete.
We can find flaws in all the competition orgs. But that's not the point; the point is going out and having fun, whether we win or don't win. These organizations can't be perfect nor can we expect them to be; we just have to go out and have fun because these organizations do what they do for us, so we can have a place to play, have fun and show pride in all our hard work and accomplishments. That's what we have to focus on, the positives... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I hear what you're saying when it comes to getting a show started when you say it's going to start... there's nothing more frustrating. The only thing I can do is give you some insight from a show promoter's perspective and please keep in mind I'm not bashing anyone, these are just some of the hurdles we face as the organizers of shows. We do our best to get things going on time like getting up at 6am to get to the competition grounds to have everything ready to go by 9 am. We get the registration tables, the tents, meters and displays set up, coordinate the lane set up and the schedules for all the "stuff" that happens that day and if it wasn't for the volunteers that come out to help, we wouldn't be ready until 9 pm rather than 9 am. We set registration times from 9am until 11am (as an example) and state that the show will start at 11 am sharp and are usually ready to go at 9 am for all the competitors to come in and register, and we do it gladly. However, and I am as guilty as the next guy because I have to admit I've done it on a couple of occasions myself, we as competitors show up between 10:45 and 11 am to register (the very last minute), so we can either get in that extra few minutes of sleep or we have other things going on in the morning, and expect the show to start at 11 am sharp. So as the show organizers we sit around from 9 am until 10:30 to 10:45 waiting for everyone to show up and at 10:30 we have a flood of people at the registration table. Then it takes us about an hour or more to get everyone registered, set up the classes, inspect all the cars competing and get the show going. Now the show starts at noon (or sometimes later) and we're an hour or so behind schedule.
Please, please, please don't think I'm bashing or blaming anyone here, that it absolutely NOT the case... I'm not intentionally pointing any fingers, I'm just trying to give you all an idea of what we as show promoters go through in order to put on a show. There are many other things that come into play and the last thing I want to do is focus on negatives, it's just that we have so many things to focus on to get the show going it sometimes gets overwhelming and we do our best to start on time. And sometimes it just doesn't happen that way.
If any of you have some feedback I'd love to hear it. I hope I've given you some insight and I welcome your responses.
This is an awesome thread!!!
Hats off to all of you for some thought provoking insights and honest discussion without any "bashing"!
Being a retailer and show promoter myself, I can honestly say that it is really tough and a huge drain on your time and wallet putting a show together; but it is so worth it!!! Just to see guys and girls get together for a day (or weekend) of fun and healthy competition, sharing the common bond of car audio competition whether it's SPL or SQ makes it all worthwhile. Although I can't speak for all retailers, I can say for myself that the main reason I do the shows I do is for you all, so we all have a place to play and that should be what it's all about at every show, IMO.
As far as the differences in the rules of the different orgs is concerned, everyone should do themselves the favor and review the rule books from each org. They're really not all that different, with the exception of how classes are broken down. These orgs, whether it's dB Drag, IASCA/IdBL, MECA, SLAP, USACi, NSPL or whoever are not perfect... they all try their best but none of them can please everyone. An example was cited about IdBL where the guy had one amp and two subs in a basic "stock" setup but was bumped to advanced class because he worked for a shop, and that's one of the "grey" areas that IdBL has tried to address with the advanced no wall class. There are many other examples with different orgs, I know of one fella that was bumped from street 1-2 class in dB Drag to super street 1-2 class because his box was 3/4's of an inch higher than the bottom of the glass in his SUV; this was considered a "wall" in the judge's eyes. He was running two 10's and one amp hitting in the high 40's and now he was competing against competitors with two 18's and four amps with a wall hitting 60's. Needless to say he wasn't happy but he competed anyway because he loves to compete.
We can find flaws in all the competition orgs. But that's not the point; the point is going out and having fun, whether we win or don't win. These organizations can't be perfect nor can we expect them to be; we just have to go out and have fun because these organizations do what they do for us, so we can have a place to play, have fun and show pride in all our hard work and accomplishments. That's what we have to focus on, the positives... [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
I hear what you're saying when it comes to getting a show started when you say it's going to start... there's nothing more frustrating. The only thing I can do is give you some insight from a show promoter's perspective and please keep in mind I'm not bashing anyone, these are just some of the hurdles we face as the organizers of shows. We do our best to get things going on time like getting up at 6am to get to the competition grounds to have everything ready to go by 9 am. We get the registration tables, the tents, meters and displays set up, coordinate the lane set up and the schedules for all the "stuff" that happens that day and if it wasn't for the volunteers that come out to help, we wouldn't be ready until 9 pm rather than 9 am. We set registration times from 9am until 11am (as an example) and state that the show will start at 11 am sharp and are usually ready to go at 9 am for all the competitors to come in and register, and we do it gladly. However, and I am as guilty as the next guy because I have to admit I've done it on a couple of occasions myself, we as competitors show up between 10:45 and 11 am to register (the very last minute), so we can either get in that extra few minutes of sleep or we have other things going on in the morning, and expect the show to start at 11 am sharp. So as the show organizers we sit around from 9 am until 10:30 to 10:45 waiting for everyone to show up and at 10:30 we have a flood of people at the registration table. Then it takes us about an hour or more to get everyone registered, set up the classes, inspect all the cars competing and get the show going. Now the show starts at noon (or sometimes later) and we're an hour or so behind schedule.
Please, please, please don't think I'm bashing or blaming anyone here, that it absolutely NOT the case... I'm not intentionally pointing any fingers, I'm just trying to give you all an idea of what we as show promoters go through in order to put on a show. There are many other things that come into play and the last thing I want to do is focus on negatives, it's just that we have so many things to focus on to get the show going it sometimes gets overwhelming and we do our best to start on time. And sometimes it just doesn't happen that way.
If any of you have some feedback I'd love to hear it. I hope I've given you some insight and I welcome your responses.
Of everyone I have talked to noone has had anything bad to say about any of your shows, they all say that they are the best to goto! [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
07-08-2003, 07:51 AM
#30
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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I hear what you're saying Chris, there's always (unfortunately) a few bad apples in the barrel that spoil it for everyone.
I didn't mean to "dump on" or flame anyone, there's a lot of other examples of some of the curveballs organizers are faced with when doing a show... that's not just me, but all dealers that host events. And it's these curveballs that sometimes delay or postpone a show. A perfect example was this weekend at Darknights, when the USACi show was cancelled because the people at USACi had concerns about SARS [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] . They didn't want to come up because of it and apparently the organizers of Darknights didn't get notified until a day or so before the show.
IMO, that was very unprofessional of USACi and they could have at least given the courtesy of notifying the organizers of Darknights a lot sooner. Anyway, I had a customer come in so I gotta go. I hope this clarifies.
To be continued...
I didn't mean to "dump on" or flame anyone, there's a lot of other examples of some of the curveballs organizers are faced with when doing a show... that's not just me, but all dealers that host events. And it's these curveballs that sometimes delay or postpone a show. A perfect example was this weekend at Darknights, when the USACi show was cancelled because the people at USACi had concerns about SARS [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] . They didn't want to come up because of it and apparently the organizers of Darknights didn't get notified until a day or so before the show.
IMO, that was very unprofessional of USACi and they could have at least given the courtesy of notifying the organizers of Darknights a lot sooner. Anyway, I had a customer come in so I gotta go. I hope this clarifies.
To be continued...
