DeadlySones

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O.K. but if you have a 2500 rms sub getting 1000 rms, and a 1000rms sub getting rated power, which one would out perform the other? My bets are on the lower level sub. It will be at full potential where the other will be barely moving. Just seems like a bad rule to try and distinguish daily versus competition. I use my TF Ones for daily applications. I don't have 2+ batteries or multiple runs of wire. Only one amp that produces decent (not competition huge) power. I just think power should be the ultimate decision maker not the brand of sub you run.

I don't make the rules and neither does Deezy.

Killer_klown187

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Who knows how they classify, They consider a L7 comp grade woofer?
In there theorisms, (I talked to Don about this the other day)
A Type R would be considered Comp grade as well then because Type E is entry, Type S is a lil higher, and Type X is sq and there biggest meanest, meaning The Type R would be comp grade,
But in there eyes it is not.
GO figure?

fresh1

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You have a point Paul, though I've never tried it. Honestly the way I look at it, the sub is getting 1000 watts worth of power, so whether it is meant to handle 2500 rms or 1000 it would produce, *in theory* relatively the same SPL. However, giving them both 2500 rms my produce more SPL from sub A while sub B goes up in smoke like Dr. Dre. Actually way, I sort of tried it once when I hooked up a 6'' computer woofer that did 30W max to an MTX3002 or something like that...I just know it took the 300 rms for a few seconds then popped. Anways, like I said, if you put 500 rms on a Type R 12'' and 500 rms on say a Type X 12'', I don't see the Type R getting louder than the Type X, but I could definitely see the Type X get louder than the Type R on 1000 rms. Then again, I didn't think I'd see 3 W6's in a Windstar until I saw one of your vids on Youtube lol


Are the Type R and Type X that different from each other? I would have thought the Type X was more comp worthy only because they can take more power (consist of stronger parts? if thats how subs work)

DeadlySones

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Bro, it'd be like taking a TFX (750rms) vs same size TF One (1500 rms) and feeding them 750 rms in exact same conditions (amp, box, tuning, vehicle). lol, Which one do you think will triumph? The underpowered TF One or the happy little TFX? I'd love to see them results. Maybe someone on here can help me with this???

Don't get me wrong, I know this class isn't for me, I can just see where everyone is coming from. Power I understand but sub.... come-on... it's suppose to be a class for new people coming into the sport. With their new "competition" subs or not, if they don't have the power yet to compete in the bigger classes, they shouldn't be kicked into a class they don't have a chance at because of the type of sub they run. # of subs, cone area, power limits, thats understandable, but type of sub? That's not a good way to get new people into competing IMO.

PsychoAcoustics Canada

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One of the criteria is that the sub must be found and purchased "off the showroom floor" from a regular retail shop open min. Of 40 hours a week. Now tf one is available through kjohn but they are special order not on the showroom floor. Test tones I can make the call on subs but I wouldn't make the tf one call as I'm good friends with the owner and I use the subs myself. A conflict of interest so to speak.

testtones

I am not questioning your deision in what is ok and not.... I am just wondering what the criteria is, you mentioned one, if that is all then what is keeping a dd dealer from bringing in a z series sub for the show room so a competitor can come in and purchase it. Technically it was a walk in sale purhased from inventory even if that competitor " mentioned " he wished they had 1 in stock so it would qualify with the rules ( I just picked that sub as a random example asuming it was not allowed)

I just dont understand why there wouldnt be a set list of criteria for all competitors to see, instead of having to wait to hear back from a judge. As well as has been seen in many other area of the rules not all judges define the rules the same way ( I am not trying to put anything against you personally, from the bit I have seen and read on forums you seem to be respected in your position)

PsychoAcoustics Canada

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ab hd sub is NOT legal nick. Its the same as the tf one. i said thats ONE of the factors. There are alot of factors to look at when determining if a sub is competition grade.

testtones

I realize that is just one of the factors, I still don't understand why it can't be posted, it seems to me if anything it would be easier for the judges to not have to answer a tonne of what about this sub questions.

What are these factors..... is there a reason for not just making a list

Father Yuli

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so subs like Funky Pop is not allowed either since you cant buy those at retail establishement and no one would have them demoing on shelves.

there are many shitty subs that you cant buy just like that, mainly cuz they are so shitty, yet they are not allowed.....due to their shittyness and no one selling them.

Pyramid would be not be allowed. No store stocks that garbage, it is a special order if you want it, just like TFONE.