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Haunz 02-27-2007 07:34 PM

lol me no so good with words some day either.... and I understand what you are saying...

heat exchange = not isothermal unless you are at a steady state equillibrium...

4boyssss 02-27-2007 08:04 PM

Very interesting opinion...learned something everyday.

JohnVroom 02-27-2007 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by Haunz
lol me no so good with words some day either.... and I understand what you are saying...

But an amp at a constant 30deg all the time when room temp is 20 is not isothermal..... its exothermic....

heat exchange = not isothermal

ahh yes ... but the circuits are at a constant temp (though individual components will be at different but stable temperatures) so its electric characteristics should be stable. heat in= heat out (that is why it takes more than a few seconds to get warm). I think we are agreeing that a lot of angels can dance on the head of a pin...

to the room the amp is a heat source
and the room is a heat sink to the amp

aint thermodynamics grand

Dukk 02-28-2007 02:42 PM

I hated thermodynamics - my prof was a moron.

Good thing I'm really fricking smart or I would have been done for :D

Haunz 02-28-2007 03:58 PM


ahh yes ... but the circuits are at a constant temp (though individual components will be at different but stable temperatures) so its electric characteristics should be stable. heat in= heat out
to the room the amp is a heat source
and the room is a heat sink to the amp
If you put it like that you would be right, so long as the room is an open system...

But if you want to break it down... consider that the thermal time constant of a component like a mosfet is going to be short compared to the dynamic nature of music (range would be like .1 to .5 seconds).... that basically tells you right there that there is no way you will find a steady state thermal equilibrium inside the device while pumping music through an amplifier.. the temperature of the fet will jump around with the signal, and there is no way isothermal conditions could be met...

If you played a test tone that lasted for a long time in relation to the time constant of the heat sink with the other condition above met then yea you could consider the fets to be running under isothermal conditions...


all that aside so we are on the same page, I think the really important point is that an amps temperature is not going to make an audible difference....:laugh:

amplifreak 03-15-2007 01:17 AM

You won't even notice the difference if it does.

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Eli47 03-24-2007 10:53 PM

Warm up
 
I seem to recall several test reports on various amplifiers, noting that performance improved after a significant warm up period at moderate loud levels.
There is a venerable line of 2 ch. British Home Audio that I carry, and their amplifiers come with a notice to the consumer stating that, the unit they purchased, will require 36 hrs. of "break in period" for optimum performance.

Maybe "Mythbusters" should take this one on.

Haunz 03-25-2007 02:16 PM

^ yea I think so... :retard:

SUX 2BU 03-27-2007 11:18 AM

True dat. My worst course.


Originally Posted by Dukk
I hated thermodynamics - my prof was a moron.

Good thing I'm really fricking smart or I would have been done for :D



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