Old School

Well i'm almost getting ready to the point of my build where the audio gonna have to go in my car that i have been working on for the last couple years.I've collected a few things over the years from my last cars and truck i had but before i start to pack it into my car i'll have to say i dont have the space most cars have, its an 90 gt vert stang and theres not much room in the trunk. i had this same kinda car back in my yonger days and was able to fit in a couple amps and 3 jl 10's, the instal was pretty getto (it was one of my first). Now i have lots more stuff to work with and in the next month or two i'll be trying to figure out the best lay out. I just want to hear some feed back on what yous think i should use.

HU- Pioneer 3000 cd i'm not sure of the model but i know its not one of the best.

EQ's- audio control 4.1 up front
2 audio control EQT's 30 bands

AMP's- phoenix gold zx450 its 4 channel
phoenix gold zx500 its 2 channel
phoenix gold zpa 0.5 its 2 channel

subs- 2 phoenix gold xmax 8"
3 phoenix gold xmax 10"
2 phoenix gold xmax 12" i dont think i can get the one fixed its got a burt coil.

front- pair of vifas
image dynamics CS1.x with full body horns and 6.5 mids

Power- all speaker wire, rca, remote, two 1 far. caps and one .5 cap. and lots of 4 gauge wire nuff to sink a boat. i'm thinking i should go with a 0/1 from the battery thou.


so lets hear what you would use and what you would leave on the shelf, and how you would wire it up.
thanks

CrazyKenKid

iTrader: (7)

WELL DON"T ever use caps unless you are going to use them for like a volt meter (to read the voltage) use a second batterie! look for a kinetik hc600 (this equals 100 1.0caps) or a hc800 or a hc1400 they will be less then 3 caps you want to run, you can normally find them on ebay or on this treat, i seen a 600 go for 130shipped so whatever dont' use caps they are useless b/c they don't have the AMPERAGE you need.

as for amps chekc out my thread and i can hook you up (p/m and i can help yuo with this)

http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/onli...er-carpet.html

as for wiring 4guage is good for anything under 1000rms if you are going to be running 1500rms or more step up to 0/1 wire it will help out! also DO the big 3 mod if yuou wnat to knwo what this is jsut p/m and i will tell you all about it and how it works!

more on amps if yuo are pushing subs stick to mono amps don't go 2 channel dont' waste your time, as for rca and wiring go to http://www.knukonceptz.com/ and they have awesome deals on wiring and everything plus great shipping!

PS if you do the big 3 you might be able to aviod using the CAPS which aer pointless!

p/m anything you wnat to know!

Kenneth

Old School

i dont think i'm going to use the caps anyways,i'm hoping my upgrade in the alt should fix that power issue. i was just naming most of the stuff i collected i forgot to say i run a yellow top battery in my car now, are you saying i need a second battery? With a kinetik do i need one of those istolater (i spelt it wrong) were it spilts off my alt? And i do have to ask what is the big 3? In one of my old setups i ran both the 8" xmax with the IDQ6" mids in my doors withe the horns under the dash. i'd really liked the sound of it all i used just the zx450 for that front end and ran the zx500 for the 3 10" subs but it was a little hard on the amp i think so i grabbed up a zpa cuz it will run at .5 ohms witch should run cooler than the zx500.Should i try to use the vifa's in the top part of my dash with the horns or would that just wreck the sound of the horns?And should i bother with trying to fix the 12" xmax and run two 12" or just stick with the 3 xmax 10".

CrazyKenKid

iTrader: (7)

Let see here first of all you are in the right area if your alt is upgraded (upgraded to what 90amps 120amps? did you get big bushings? small wheels? what??) and a yellow top (since they are made for car audio and cars and give you a 3year warrentie if something goes wrong with either)

I am saying you need to run a second batterie AND do the big 3! the big 3 you should do for ANY system, and the secodn batterie is used to help out your amp(s). but you should only need a second batterie if you are pushing more then say 1200rms or 1-1.5krms!!

now the big 3 is very simple to do, use either 4 or 0/1 gauge wire. FIRST ground your batterie(s) to the chassy somewhere, SECOND ground your batterie (front one) to the engine block. THIRD ground the engine block to the chassie. AND FOURTH put a FUSED wire from your alt to your front batterie! doing this will increase the volt/amp flowing that is needed to charge your batterie(s). and no you don't have to use an isolator inbetween the batteries since they are both 12v batteries.

it seems that you were only running 500rms so the second batterie isn't needed and you were running it half ohm lol! kewl! anyways why not just step up if you are going to put some money into this? maybe one 15inch sub? or how about 2 RE SE (600rms each sub, but we will give them 700 rms) with an amp for 700 shipped to your door??? let me know!!

and p/m if you are interested plus i got lines on all kinds of stuff let me know!

CrazyKenKid

iTrader: (7)

atually i think i explained the big 3 to you in the wrong way! here read all about it!

Official CarAudio.com Big 3 Thread - Car Audio Forum - CarAudio.com

enjoy!

and if you need wire jsut buy it from http://www.knukonceptz.com/

BigRedGuy

iTrader: (11)

I've heard too many horror stories about Pioneer decks.......a new source unit would be a good investment, the new ones have so many more functions than anything you could buy 20 years ago it's like night and day.....

Good call on the caps.....if they are more than 10 years old they may have deteriorated to the point that they don't help enough to make it worth putting them in......

The 'Big 3" is explained with pics right here it will help with any electrical issues you might encounter.

I wouldn't bother with another battery until the need for it becomes obvious.....if you have a yellowtop already and you get the wires under the hood done, you probably won't have any electrical problems.....

I like the 8" , 6" and horn setup already.....use the 450 on the horns and the 6" , the zx500 on the 8" and the zpa on the 3 10s....

I would start with the 4.1 for processing for now......the 30 band EQs are probably overkill unless you are competing in SQ shows or have really, really good hearing......

Don't forget to take pics during the install so all us old farts can wander down memory lane too......

HTH

CrazyKenKid

iTrader: (7)

X2 take lots of pics to show it off!!

Old School

i like the idea of the big 3 i'll more likely start to put in the stuff in two-three weeks i'm just working out some small clutch and e-test stuff first before i start this stuff, i think i will use the three amps as Bigred was saying. i just wasnt sure if i should bother with the vifas or not. bigred was saying to use the zx450 for the horn n 6's dose that mean not to use the crossovers and use the front stage for horns and the rear stage for the 6's. if so wouldnt i be over powering the horns that amp says it 75w x 4. i thought the horns were only 35-50w.
One of my earlier plans on the system was setup like this

zx450 front - vifas in top dash
rear -crossover with horns under dash and 6's in the doors

zx500- 8xmax in doors

zpa 0.5- 3-10"xmax in the trunk


now have a HU useing only front channel into my 4.1, from there the front of the 4.1 going to the EQT's then to the zx450 (i need these EQT's to control the sound of the horns) then off to the zx500

the rear channel of the 4.1 striaght into the zpa. for the bass control and levels of subs.

i dont what do yous think?

i'll try to keep up with pics but i have a long build ahead of me here with making door panels and stuff
oh as in the alt upgrade i used a 3g which at idle sits at 100amps i think it should do the trick. i dont use the car for racing it my old man cuzzzer lol

BigRedGuy

iTrader: (11)

I think it might be overkill adding the Vifas....don't let me discourage you tho.....

The horns should be fine....tuning the system once it's all in there should be relatively easy since you will be going full-active using 3 amp channels per door.....

A new deck would help, having 3 sets of outputs which can be independantly tweaked gives a lot more control over the system.......something like this one would be a big step forward from the old decks you have in terms of technology.....whether you will hear a difference in SQ is another thread....

At that point you could drop the 4.1 as well, the EQTs could be hooked up to only the RCAs that feed the horns and the 6s if you want to blend them with the horns.....

Either way, I'd love to hear this system when you get it done.....if you need a hand let me know, there are a couple of guys here in the GTA that could help as well and my driveway install bay is open for the season.....again.....

Old School

well its all in now, it sounds great (with the trunk open) theres a few rattles in the lid i have to get at. i also did the big 3 and my volts drop like crazy when the zpa kicks in. i really think i need a 2nd battery or maybe a cap. I'll try to get all the pics up asap.