JL 1000/1 vs. PG x1200.1
07-18-2005, 07:20 AM
#11
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lke my post says, my numbers come from personal experience. od you think that pg is going to publically admit to engineering a product that fails miserably. i didnt really want to get to deep into this but you asked for it. i have a customer that has a x1200.1 in the shop to be fixed for the 3rd time in 6 months(first time didnt last a day running 4 ohm). i have another with a x600.1 he was lucky , his lasted a month. therea er 2 glowing exemples of these amps failing, if you wish i can go on, but i would prefer not to. the topic started wanted reliable first hand info, i gave it to him from personal experience. i sold and installed phoenix gold for a decade and recently switched to kicker. i dont have enogh fingers and toes to count the amount of amplifiers that have had to go for service more that twice, sorry if this doesnt jive with your feelings towards the product, but my expereinces with phoenix amps has not been as favorable as yours
07-20-2005, 01:59 PM
#12
Yea, im not going to get into this. It will just be a back and forth arguement. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. To each his own.
But just a question, where did you get those 2 particular amps repaired at?
[ July 20, 2005, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: pgmaniac ]
But just a question, where did you get those 2 particular amps repaired at?
[ July 20, 2005, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: pgmaniac ]
07-30-2005, 01:38 PM
#14
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hey miluni!
here is the deal. i ran a 1000/1 in my car for spl (not the intended use) and i was hitting 147.1 with that amp day in and out! i switched over to one 2400 watt rms amp and i was then hitting 148.2 so the thing runs a good 1500watts rms at least. and the thing is unbeilievably clean if being used in an sq aplication. it uses a regulated powersuply that has no lack of ***** what so ever!
here is the deal. i ran a 1000/1 in my car for spl (not the intended use) and i was hitting 147.1 with that amp day in and out! i switched over to one 2400 watt rms amp and i was then hitting 148.2 so the thing runs a good 1500watts rms at least. and the thing is unbeilievably clean if being used in an sq aplication. it uses a regulated powersuply that has no lack of ***** what so ever!
07-30-2005, 03:00 PM
#15
Originally posted by Justin LaRouche:
hey miluni!
here is the deal. i ran a 1000/1 in my car for spl (not the intended use) and i was hitting 147.1 with that amp day in and out! i switched over to one 2400 watt rms amp and i was then hitting 148.2 so the thing runs a good 1500watts rms at least. and the thing is unbeilievably clean if being used in an sq aplication. it uses a regulated powersuply that has no lack of ***** what so ever!
hey miluni!
here is the deal. i ran a 1000/1 in my car for spl (not the intended use) and i was hitting 147.1 with that amp day in and out! i switched over to one 2400 watt rms amp and i was then hitting 148.2 so the thing runs a good 1500watts rms at least. and the thing is unbeilievably clean if being used in an sq aplication. it uses a regulated powersuply that has no lack of ***** what so ever!
07-31-2005, 06:21 AM
#18
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Originally posted by bluetroll:
you can never go wrong with JL products, they take a beating and keep on ticking!
you can never go wrong with JL products, they take a beating and keep on ticking!
On the topic of PG's Xenon failure rate I'm having a very hard time believing the company's claim of a 1% failure rate. I've never heard as many people complain about their PG amp blowing up before and something tells me the 1% failure rate is a number fabricated by PG's PR team in an effort to cover up a mass problem. Never in PG's history have they had to hire two people with the sole task of Quality control to check for a KNOWN FLAW on an entire lineup of Xenon amps.
The flaw in this instance is a bad solder which is easily fixed by those techs but if not addressed it leads to an almost immediate failure and damage to the amp within a week or two of use. If this problem was isloated to a single model I could believe the 1% failure rate, however its well documented that the entire lineup has this flaw.
The Xenon lineup is PG's biggest failure, what was supposed to be a move to a superior quality amp at a lower price has blown up in their face. If you've noticed, PG has been going through a lot of changes as of late including firing of several key employees who made PG great in the first place. They also closed their PG public forum once enough negative comments were posted about the Xenon lineup became a weekly occurance from irate owners. Don't believe everythign a company tells you, the more trouble their in, the less likely that news is accurate.
And this pgmaniac, is coming from someone who's a very big PG fan.
07-31-2005, 11:01 AM
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when was the last time phoenix gold made a line of amps that was consistantly reliable, xs amps maybe, and before that was the zx debacle, after xs weve had titanium junk and xenon junk and that pretty much covers that last 5 years or so, and before that was the great reliable m series. almost seems like a decade of more failures than sucesses
07-31-2005, 01:18 PM
#20
A3 i believe a lot of what you said. Yes there have been problems with them, and have found out that it was the "first batch" of amps produced. As for the PG forums closing, i was a regular, always had a good laugh. A large reason other then the xenon amp bashing they closed was due to other issues going on with key members, which then led to other things happening. It was all a huge concern for the company, they closed it. Theyre going for a new "look" i suppose. They have a new series of RSD amps coming out that are suppose to be pretty good. As for the employee's, yes, they have been letting some go recently. I heard the 1% failure rate number from a former employee, which he learned about in a general conversation.
Anyways, im not out to argue who's point is more valid, or anything like that. Im just here to say, yes xenon have had some bad runs, but with what they know now, they are a very good amp! As is the jl amps.
Enough ranting from a tired traveller, sorry if it wasnt very presentable and professional, i need some sleep. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Anyways, im not out to argue who's point is more valid, or anything like that. Im just here to say, yes xenon have had some bad runs, but with what they know now, they are a very good amp! As is the jl amps.
Enough ranting from a tired traveller, sorry if it wasnt very presentable and professional, i need some sleep. [img]smile.gif[/img]
