Kicks or dash.
11-17-2003, 04:38 PM
#1
Okay I'm going to be installing a three way setup for my front stage. A 6 MB 4 mid and soft dome tweet. All are Macrom if that matters. My question is this. Should I put my 6 ith the door and 4&tweet int kick panels. OR put my 4 & tweet in the dash. Well 4 in the dash and the tweeter most likly in the a pillers. All depending where they sound best.
I'm looking to set up a sq system and I'm planning on compeating in Iasca next year. So where is the best place to put my speakers? I drive a 03 Neon if that matters. Please Help. [img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img]
I'm looking to set up a sq system and I'm planning on compeating in Iasca next year. So where is the best place to put my speakers? I drive a 03 Neon if that matters. Please Help. [img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img]
11-17-2003, 05:45 PM
#2
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I've seen some installs using the tweets/mids in the a-pillars, firing towards the center of the windshield. You can get great imaging if this is done correctly. There are disadvantes of course (as with anything in car audio). Aside from being much more difficult to implement, the midbass will be seperated from the mids/tweets by at least a couple feet, which could have negative results. You would also be relying on the reflective properties of your windshield and dash. Depending on the vehicle, your results may vary quite a bit.
Kicks have been tried and trusted in car audio for years. IMO, they are probably the best route to take, unless you are the adventerous type [img]smile.gif[/img] . If designed and imaged properly, you could have a fantastic front sound stage using kicks. You could get away with putting your midbass in the doors. The distance between the kicks and midbass would be measured in inches instead of feet.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do [img]smile.gif[/img]
Kicks have been tried and trusted in car audio for years. IMO, they are probably the best route to take, unless you are the adventerous type [img]smile.gif[/img] . If designed and imaged properly, you could have a fantastic front sound stage using kicks. You could get away with putting your midbass in the doors. The distance between the kicks and midbass would be measured in inches instead of feet.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do [img]smile.gif[/img]
11-17-2003, 06:41 PM
#3
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I have done several installs myself, with both plans that you are asking about, and as in my system, and several others like it, the kickpanel method is far better both for stageing and SQ. It does require more work in some situations, but the return you will receive for your effort will be a way better soundin set up. Also, with the tweet and mid range mounted in the kick, you will be able to maintain the proper imaging as most 3 way set ups specify. Go with the kicks, you'll be very happy with the end result.
11-17-2003, 07:02 PM
#4
Speaker placement is so important. In that regard you'd be crazy not to use kicks. I'd leave the Midbass in the door, but for time alignment purposes I'd try and get it far down in the corner so it's close to the kicks for Timing purposes. You may want to try the mid at different angles. I perfer tweeters in the kick pod, but you may like them in the a pillers. This may create some timing issues. Glad to know someone out there wants to compete in IASCA. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
11-18-2003, 07:07 AM
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Well, I have my tweeters at the bottom of the A-pillars and the middome in the far corners of the dash and I have very good staging and imaging with a killer centre image about the size of a small mellon. Tonality is also very good. But that being said, I still have not sorted out my mid-bass issue. Of note, I had midbass issues with everything in the kicks as well. Lower vocals and midbass are the hardest frequency ranges to sort out in a car. PLD's are the most important in this area. With tweeters and midrange, it's a different ball game all together. And each car is different. But don't be afraid to experiment up on your dash and leave the kickpanel duties to sorting out midbass PLD's.
11-18-2003, 10:14 AM
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One of the bst sounding cars at IASCA finals was Scott Buwalda's Nissan Altima, he had Midbas in the doors, dome mids in the kicks, and twets in the A pillars.
Of course Gary Bigg's car sounded phenominal too and his were all kicks.
There were quite a few good sounding cars with horns too.
There isn't one setup that is superior to all others, alot depends on the execution and tuning of the install.
Of course Gary Bigg's car sounded phenominal too and his were all kicks.
There were quite a few good sounding cars with horns too.
There isn't one setup that is superior to all others, alot depends on the execution and tuning of the install.
11-18-2003, 03:32 PM
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Well not to go against the grain (did I say that ???) In that particular car I would have to say that the dash is a better option if your into doing some custom works.
Reasons are....
1. Dash overhangs the kicks huge which will create huge defraction problems.
2. The front of the dash protruds alot and meets with the center console, more defraction problems.
3. The dash is huge and very deep with tons of room inside for a custom enclosure under the stock dash pad.
You might have a bit of a stage width problem with the dash option, but it will be minimal to doing the kicks.
There is even enough room to do the midbass on the dash also.
Reasons are....
1. Dash overhangs the kicks huge which will create huge defraction problems.
2. The front of the dash protruds alot and meets with the center console, more defraction problems.
3. The dash is huge and very deep with tons of room inside for a custom enclosure under the stock dash pad.
You might have a bit of a stage width problem with the dash option, but it will be minimal to doing the kicks.
There is even enough room to do the midbass on the dash also.
