The more power the better?
12-22-2004, 01:18 PM
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Hey,
I have Boston Acoustics Rally components which their website vaguely describes as being able to handle anywhere between 20-250W (RMS or not I dont know) Anyway Suppose a set of components can handle up to 100W RMS, is it better to give them more power (like use an amp that can provide 150RMS) and lower gain for more control or will this put too much stress on the speakers, especially given that I sometimes listen to music with lots of distortion... Is there a general rule for how much power you want to give a speaker to have good SQ?
I have Boston Acoustics Rally components which their website vaguely describes as being able to handle anywhere between 20-250W (RMS or not I dont know) Anyway Suppose a set of components can handle up to 100W RMS, is it better to give them more power (like use an amp that can provide 150RMS) and lower gain for more control or will this put too much stress on the speakers, especially given that I sometimes listen to music with lots of distortion... Is there a general rule for how much power you want to give a speaker to have good SQ?
12-22-2004, 03:32 PM
#5
As with any speaker I want enough power to drive the speaker to the point where it was designed and have an amlifier and electrical system big enough that I can drive the speaker under any condition without worrying that the amp will start clipping.
12-23-2004, 07:20 AM
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An amplifier clips when it reaches the maximum output voltage it is designed for, or more accuratetly, tries to exceed that voltage.
I forget the math right now, but I heard that it requires some astornomical amount of power to accurately recreate the dynamic range of a real orchestra. Supposedly the peak SPL was very high..
OK, a little research... During the average performance, a Double-Bass can produce 134+dB and an Oboe can do 135.4dB.
So, OK, I'll do the math.. Assume the average good quality component set produces about 85dB of output when driven with 1 Watt of power. I'll give the whole thing a boost and say that we have two channels, so the efficiency is up to 88dB at 1 Watt.
If we negate the effects of power compression, thermal limits and coen excursion, and assume a real increase of 3dB in output for every doubling of amplifier power, it would take roughtly 50,000W to produce 135dB.
Yes, we get some help from the car with the transfer function and what-not, but this is the necessary power for an anechoic, realistic performance.
You can never have too much power.
I forget the math right now, but I heard that it requires some astornomical amount of power to accurately recreate the dynamic range of a real orchestra. Supposedly the peak SPL was very high..
OK, a little research... During the average performance, a Double-Bass can produce 134+dB and an Oboe can do 135.4dB.
So, OK, I'll do the math.. Assume the average good quality component set produces about 85dB of output when driven with 1 Watt of power. I'll give the whole thing a boost and say that we have two channels, so the efficiency is up to 88dB at 1 Watt.
If we negate the effects of power compression, thermal limits and coen excursion, and assume a real increase of 3dB in output for every doubling of amplifier power, it would take roughtly 50,000W to produce 135dB.
Yes, we get some help from the car with the transfer function and what-not, but this is the necessary power for an anechoic, realistic performance.
You can never have too much power.
12-24-2004, 01:25 AM
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So the whole idea behind lots of power, or getting more than the speaker is rated for is for dynamic crescedos in the music, and to give the amp enough "dynamic headroom" to recreate the signal without clipping.
Kinda like a 4 Cyl, and a V-8 trying to pass a semi on the highway, up a steep hill, carrying a trailer, and passing really quick from same speed as semi.
Get me a V-12 Merlin!!
Kinda like a 4 Cyl, and a V-8 trying to pass a semi on the highway, up a steep hill, carrying a trailer, and passing really quick from same speed as semi.
Get me a V-12 Merlin!!
12-24-2004, 01:33 AM
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Nice one Dave.
I'd just like to add that 16 bit CDs don't have the dynamic range to cover 135db. Most classical cds are recorded with a large amount of low level information removed, or artificially increased in level, to compress the everything onto a normal 16 bit CD. The human ear doesn't resolve details below 50db very well though, so it's not as noticable as it may seem.
PLOW, welcome to my world! [img]smile.gif[/img] I love power.
the bret, I'd like to warn you that while you may be able to afford some monster amps, the power system to support them can be just as expensive. 125 to 150 watts works well for mids and tweeters.
Adam
I'd just like to add that 16 bit CDs don't have the dynamic range to cover 135db. Most classical cds are recorded with a large amount of low level information removed, or artificially increased in level, to compress the everything onto a normal 16 bit CD. The human ear doesn't resolve details below 50db very well though, so it's not as noticable as it may seem.
PLOW, welcome to my world! [img]smile.gif[/img] I love power.
the bret, I'd like to warn you that while you may be able to afford some monster amps, the power system to support them can be just as expensive. 125 to 150 watts works well for mids and tweeters.
Adam
