top ten decks
1) Nakamichi CD 700
2) DenFord (even though "Denon" never made the car gear)
3) Coustic CD3700 (Philips Transport 24x over sampling) with outboard Design Reference DA (built by Kinergenics)
4) Rockford RFX9400
5) Rockford RFX8140 (9volts @ 50ohms RMS) indestructable, fully balanced tuner tuned by Delco for the '02 Caddy - deck release in '98!
6) Rockford RFX9300 - still have it copper chassis, 5V @ 50ohms RMS, 2 aux ins, holographic laser
7) Rockford RFX8115 - Best tuner ever -- never skipped ever
8) Excelon KDCX890 - Wolfson DAC
9) Nakamich CD45Z - nice unit, not like the junk they have now
10) JVC KDAR560 - for the money nice little package
2) DenFord (even though "Denon" never made the car gear)
3) Coustic CD3700 (Philips Transport 24x over sampling) with outboard Design Reference DA (built by Kinergenics)
4) Rockford RFX9400
5) Rockford RFX8140 (9volts @ 50ohms RMS) indestructable, fully balanced tuner tuned by Delco for the '02 Caddy - deck release in '98!
6) Rockford RFX9300 - still have it copper chassis, 5V @ 50ohms RMS, 2 aux ins, holographic laser
7) Rockford RFX8115 - Best tuner ever -- never skipped ever
8) Excelon KDCX890 - Wolfson DAC
9) Nakamich CD45Z - nice unit, not like the junk they have now
10) JVC KDAR560 - for the money nice little package
Goalie Man
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,412
sorry brandon that you dont think customers can talk to people at r
ockford but it is posible. the only reason that i talked to the head tech there is because my 8250 is a peice of junk,, sorry that your hearing is so fantasic that you can acutally here the difference, must suck when you go outside and you can here everything. i bet at night if you stand outside you claim you can here satalights go buy in the sky!!!! idiot......... anyway yes denon made the deck for the japanesse market only , and
they built it well but overpriced
it as a marketing ploy........ unfortunatly no one bought them ,o rf bought the lot and was reponsible for selling them in north america... now my unit has nothing but problems wont load a c.d. wont eject, wont play a disc with even the smallest scratch ect ect ect..............so this is why i was on the phone with tech support at rockford!!!!!!!! i should have gone with an alpine or stuck with my sony xes setup....... said it befor but it bears repeating, iam a dumb ***!!
ockford but it is posible. the only reason that i talked to the head tech there is because my 8250 is a peice of junk,, sorry that your hearing is so fantasic that you can acutally here the difference, must suck when you go outside and you can here everything. i bet at night if you stand outside you claim you can here satalights go buy in the sky!!!! idiot......... anyway yes denon made the deck for the japanesse market only , and
they built it well but overpriced
it as a marketing ploy........ unfortunatly no one bought them ,o rf bought the lot and was reponsible for selling them in north america... now my unit has nothing but problems wont load a c.d. wont eject, wont play a disc with even the smallest scratch ect ect ect..............so this is why i was on the phone with tech support at rockford!!!!!!!! i should have gone with an alpine or stuck with my sony xes setup....... said it befor but it bears repeating, iam a dumb ***!!
did you just you just call me an idiot?
Wow, you're really smart to come up with such a sophisticated insult I'm glad to see you're such an educated stand-up individual to come up remarks like that.
Just cause you don't know how to take care of your deck properly or install it, or maybe just a bad deck, doesn't mean they all suck.
Personnally I think you're full of crap, but hey I could be wrong.
I like my deck, and there's TONS of people, with better trained ears than mine that love them too.
You must have done something terribly wrong or bought a lemon deck cause I haven't had any problems with mine....turns out my output problem was something else. Yea they don't really like scratched cd's but neither does the Denon Z1.
Wow, you're really smart to come up with such a sophisticated insult I'm glad to see you're such an educated stand-up individual to come up remarks like that.
Just cause you don't know how to take care of your deck properly or install it, or maybe just a bad deck, doesn't mean they all suck.
Personnally I think you're full of crap, but hey I could be wrong.
I like my deck, and there's TONS of people, with better trained ears than mine that love them too.
You must have done something terribly wrong or bought a lemon deck cause I haven't had any problems with mine....turns out my output problem was something else. Yea they don't really like scratched cd's but neither does the Denon Z1.
"The 8250 has an aluminum faceplate and volume **** as well. The 8250 does NOT have a digital output built in. It has a digital *input* built in. The R1 has the DAC and output stage built into the main board. Denon does not use a 'daughter' board for the output stage of this headunit. This is the same design as the 8240.
The 8250/Z1/DCT-1 use basically identical boards and transports. The major difference between the 8250 and the Z1/DCT-1 is the daughter board. The board on the 8250 uses 20bit BB DACs and the board in the Z1/DCT-1 uses 24 bit BB DACs. The boards are interchangeable (I presently have a DCT-1 output board in my 8250 with the 24 bit DACs and output stage so for all practical purposes it is a DCT-1).
A minor difference is that the DCT-1 and I believe the Z1 uses silver cables on the output instead of the copper cables used on the R1 and 8250. My headunit also has the silver cables installed.
The major difference between the Z1 and the DCT-1 is one capacitor in the PS. Other than that they are just about identical.
The DCT-1 includes digital output in Coaxial form. I believe the Z1 does not include digital output but it is not difficult to modify this headunit for digital output. The 8250 is slightly more difficult to mod for digital output (Denon switched off digital output in this headunit) but def not undoable.
The above description of the 8250 holds true for the 8250Ti as well. I have owned a few of these headunits and know them well.
To say that the 8250 is a cheap version of the R1 is completely false. The 8250 is VERY close to the Z1 and DCT-1 and actually is the older Denon flagship unit before they switched to 24 bit DACs and Alpha processing. Do not let the RF logo fool you, this is one serious SQ unit and is quite a step above the R1."
Kevin
There that's right form a guy that has a customized 8250 AND a Denon Z1....so, I really am thinking you're full of it dude.....OR buddy at RF doesn't have the full facts.
The 8250/Z1/DCT-1 use basically identical boards and transports. The major difference between the 8250 and the Z1/DCT-1 is the daughter board. The board on the 8250 uses 20bit BB DACs and the board in the Z1/DCT-1 uses 24 bit BB DACs. The boards are interchangeable (I presently have a DCT-1 output board in my 8250 with the 24 bit DACs and output stage so for all practical purposes it is a DCT-1).
A minor difference is that the DCT-1 and I believe the Z1 uses silver cables on the output instead of the copper cables used on the R1 and 8250. My headunit also has the silver cables installed.
The major difference between the Z1 and the DCT-1 is one capacitor in the PS. Other than that they are just about identical.
The DCT-1 includes digital output in Coaxial form. I believe the Z1 does not include digital output but it is not difficult to modify this headunit for digital output. The 8250 is slightly more difficult to mod for digital output (Denon switched off digital output in this headunit) but def not undoable.
The above description of the 8250 holds true for the 8250Ti as well. I have owned a few of these headunits and know them well.
To say that the 8250 is a cheap version of the R1 is completely false. The 8250 is VERY close to the Z1 and DCT-1 and actually is the older Denon flagship unit before they switched to 24 bit DACs and Alpha processing. Do not let the RF logo fool you, this is one serious SQ unit and is quite a step above the R1."
Kevin
There that's right form a guy that has a customized 8250 AND a Denon Z1....so, I really am thinking you're full of it dude.....OR buddy at RF doesn't have the full facts.
I think there's some of both involved here.
I have an 8240, with the lowely 1 bit DAC's, and it sounds great, but I spent time installing my speakers so that I have the optimum sound coming from them.
You can't half assed install speakers, then expect a CD player and processor to make up for it.
I have an 8240, with the lowely 1 bit DAC's, and it sounds great, but I spent time installing my speakers so that I have the optimum sound coming from them.
You can't half assed install speakers, then expect a CD player and processor to make up for it.
No, absolutely, install is 90% of how a system sounds, but bad equipment equals bad sound too.
Bad equipment usually makes a system sound worse than bad install in my experience anyway.
example, my van didn't really image great but tonnally it was sweet(using my Utopias). Good equipment, bad install.
When I had my Phase Linear/Kicker Resolution combo, it sounded like *** except some top end dynamics and pretty good stage cause it was installed properly. Bad equipment with a decent install.
I dunno, there's always at least 2 sides to every problem.
Bad equipment usually makes a system sound worse than bad install in my experience anyway.
example, my van didn't really image great but tonnally it was sweet(using my Utopias). Good equipment, bad install.
When I had my Phase Linear/Kicker Resolution combo, it sounded like *** except some top end dynamics and pretty good stage cause it was installed properly. Bad equipment with a decent install.
I dunno, there's always at least 2 sides to every problem.
1-bit, 16-bit, 24-bit, etc.: IMO it doesn't matter as long as the DAC is of high-quality.
Lot's of great SQ decks have been made with most differences being the available features YOU need it to do and the reliability of the deck being the deciding factor. The Denon/RF unit is a great piece but if you need a deck to do processing it is not a good SQ deck for YOU. Great piece for the right user though.
Lot's of great SQ decks have been made with most differences being the available features YOU need it to do and the reliability of the deck being the deciding factor. The Denon/RF unit is a great piece but if you need a deck to do processing it is not a good SQ deck for YOU. Great piece for the right user though.
