mase/pepper spray in T.O.
12-22-2003, 09:39 AM
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hey one of my friends just got a job working nights and she has to use the bus to get to and from work so i`d like to get her some pepper spray/mase or some thing that will allow her to get away form harms way.
i`d like to drive her to and from work but the reality is i cant... so i want her to have some protection...
so if any one knows where i can get this in the GTA ....
also is bear repelant the same ?
thanks
i`d like to drive her to and from work but the reality is i cant... so i want her to have some protection...
so if any one knows where i can get this in the GTA ....
also is bear repelant the same ?
thanks
12-22-2003, 09:59 AM
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i would have to consider myself the expert on this, considering i come from a place where it is uncommon to NOT see a bear in a day. Bear spray is the same thing as mace, except mace is a fine, direct stream, where as bear spray is more of a cloud. Mace is also not legal to carry in canada, bear spray is. Bear spray is also a much bigger, (pita) container. When it comes to bears, people say it does work, but im not going to risk it to find out for myself. Bear spray will never take the place of my defender.
Oh yeah, and bear spray really really freakin hurts too, although about 1/100 000 people arent affected by it. (including 1 of my best friends)
Oh yeah, and bear spray really really freakin hurts too, although about 1/100 000 people arent affected by it. (including 1 of my best friends)
12-22-2003, 10:11 AM
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Using pepper spray against a bear is what it was designed for, and perfectly legal.
If someone was to use it against a person the pepper spray would then be concidered a "prohibited weapon". The charges under the criminal code carry stiff penalties. Someone who purchased the bear spray with that use in mind could also face charges.
I can pretty much gaurentee that if she used it on a bus nearly everyone there would be affected to some degree. More than a few would be requesting medical treatment. Its not a pretty sight when pepper spray is used in an enclosed space. I've been exposed to it a few times indoors and its plain nasty.
Please concider the possible consequences before you plan to purchase bear spray for someone.
CM.
[ December 22, 2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Canadian **** ]
If someone was to use it against a person the pepper spray would then be concidered a "prohibited weapon". The charges under the criminal code carry stiff penalties. Someone who purchased the bear spray with that use in mind could also face charges.
I can pretty much gaurentee that if she used it on a bus nearly everyone there would be affected to some degree. More than a few would be requesting medical treatment. Its not a pretty sight when pepper spray is used in an enclosed space. I've been exposed to it a few times indoors and its plain nasty.
Please concider the possible consequences before you plan to purchase bear spray for someone.
CM.
[ December 22, 2003, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Canadian **** ]
12-22-2003, 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Canadian ****:
Using pepper spray against a bear is what it was designed for, and perfectly legal.
If someone was to use it against a person the pepper spray would then be concidered a "prohibited weapon". The charges under the criminal code carry stiff penalties. Someone who purchased the bear spray with that use in mind could also face charges.
Please concider this before you plan to purchase bear spray for someone.
CM.
Using pepper spray against a bear is what it was designed for, and perfectly legal.
If someone was to use it against a person the pepper spray would then be concidered a "prohibited weapon". The charges under the criminal code carry stiff penalties. Someone who purchased the bear spray with that use in mind could also face charges.
Please concider this before you plan to purchase bear spray for someone.
CM.
i dont think theres a guy here that dosent feel the same way .... and if they dont...
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12-22-2003, 10:30 AM
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Thats the counter arguement that every tough guy uses. I've seen it before and I'll see it again.
Just as long as you know what you are getting yourself into thats fine.
The chances are that she will not be able to effectively use it anyways. Its a weapon that needs suprise to work effectively. Once you start waving it around you've lost that element of suprise. Your attackers are now prepared for it and won't be facing you letting you spray the sauce in their eyes.
It's even more likely that it will not be able to be deployed in time. Bear spray is usually in large cumbersome cans. The rule of thumb for police officers is "21 feet." If someone has a weapon like a knife within 21 feet of you, they will have the time to close that distance with you and stab you before you can react to them, and draw your weapon out of its holster and fire. How fast can your friend get that spray out of her purse, and put it on the target?
It's also very likely that it will be taken away from her in the event of an attack. Without the training and self-confidence to use it properly she's likely to give it to the very people who are threatening her.
Speaking of training, if she was to get a can of this stuff she needs to spray herself with it at least once. Just so she can get used to the effects of it. If she was to use it she will get some of it back at her. Definately if it's used indoors. And if it's outdoors the wind could blow it right back at her. She needs to know how to deal with the effects of pepper spray. The running and buring eyes. The uncontroled snot flowing out of her nose. The constrition of her throat as she inhales the vapours and labours to breathe. If she can't deal with these effects she could be incapacitated when she goes to use it.
Perhaps some sort of a self-defence course would be more appropriate? Some sort of a "street smart" type course. No fancy moves. Just plain simple ways to defend yourself. Just gaining the self-confidence from that would do her a world of good. A lot of people will back down from a possible confrontation if they see their victim is capable and determined to fight back. Women have an advantage in that respect. Most men will hesitate to hit a woman. So women have extra time to deal with a situation through communication before it becomes physical.
Heck, go take a course with her. That would be a nice thing to do together! You could partner up with her and learn together.
CM.
[ December 22, 2003, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Canadian **** ]
Just as long as you know what you are getting yourself into thats fine.
The chances are that she will not be able to effectively use it anyways. Its a weapon that needs suprise to work effectively. Once you start waving it around you've lost that element of suprise. Your attackers are now prepared for it and won't be facing you letting you spray the sauce in their eyes.
It's even more likely that it will not be able to be deployed in time. Bear spray is usually in large cumbersome cans. The rule of thumb for police officers is "21 feet." If someone has a weapon like a knife within 21 feet of you, they will have the time to close that distance with you and stab you before you can react to them, and draw your weapon out of its holster and fire. How fast can your friend get that spray out of her purse, and put it on the target?
It's also very likely that it will be taken away from her in the event of an attack. Without the training and self-confidence to use it properly she's likely to give it to the very people who are threatening her.
Speaking of training, if she was to get a can of this stuff she needs to spray herself with it at least once. Just so she can get used to the effects of it. If she was to use it she will get some of it back at her. Definately if it's used indoors. And if it's outdoors the wind could blow it right back at her. She needs to know how to deal with the effects of pepper spray. The running and buring eyes. The uncontroled snot flowing out of her nose. The constrition of her throat as she inhales the vapours and labours to breathe. If she can't deal with these effects she could be incapacitated when she goes to use it.
Perhaps some sort of a self-defence course would be more appropriate? Some sort of a "street smart" type course. No fancy moves. Just plain simple ways to defend yourself. Just gaining the self-confidence from that would do her a world of good. A lot of people will back down from a possible confrontation if they see their victim is capable and determined to fight back. Women have an advantage in that respect. Most men will hesitate to hit a woman. So women have extra time to deal with a situation through communication before it becomes physical.
Heck, go take a course with her. That would be a nice thing to do together! You could partner up with her and learn together.
CM.
[ December 22, 2003, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: Canadian **** ]
12-22-2003, 10:49 AM
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hmm, i would have to agree on that one...+ another factor is that bear spray has a little tab to break off before you can shoot it, sort of like a fire extinguisher. Add 3 seconds to your reaction time. The nice thing about bears, is they generally cant judge your next move, like a human. So, if not the 12g defender, then i agree with the "street smarts" like class. Nothin like a good ol' fashioned kick in the junk to send a guy to his knees. 
12-22-2003, 11:02 AM
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lol "junk" I haven't heard that for a while.
A good kick in the junk will nearly double him over. Putting his head in a good spot for a follow up. Hands on top of his head, pull down, drive knee up into his face = broken nose and incapacitated attacker.
A good kick in the junk will nearly double him over. Putting his head in a good spot for a follow up. Hands on top of his head, pull down, drive knee up into his face = broken nose and incapacitated attacker.
12-22-2003, 11:02 AM
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all good points
sad part is i dont nnow if i could talk her in to going to a self defence course- i am goin to try though.
my sister has mase (key chain thing.. kinda on the big size though) but she took it off her keys cause it was to big...makes the whole idea kinda pointless...
any other ideas ?
thanks for the replys
sad part is i dont nnow if i could talk her in to going to a self defence course- i am goin to try though.
my sister has mase (key chain thing.. kinda on the big size though) but she took it off her keys cause it was to big...makes the whole idea kinda pointless...
any other ideas ?
thanks for the replys
