I need to get decent speakers and have them installed but where do I go?
02-12-2009, 08:36 AM
#11
Looks like that deck has a bit of crossover capabilities.
if you're that limited, I'd recommend you get a nice used 10 inch sub in a box and the proper amp to power it.
then use the deck to highpass the fronts at about 120-200 to take the "***" sound out of them.
to remove the lowest of notes from the sub "tighten it up" by also by high passing or using a subsonic filter to 30-50.
this is all if I'm guessing right about the sound you're after.
....the difference between mono and two channel is that mono = one channel, and two channel = well you know.....
if you're that limited, I'd recommend you get a nice used 10 inch sub in a box and the proper amp to power it.
then use the deck to highpass the fronts at about 120-200 to take the "***" sound out of them.
to remove the lowest of notes from the sub "tighten it up" by also by high passing or using a subsonic filter to 30-50.
this is all if I'm guessing right about the sound you're after.
....the difference between mono and two channel is that mono = one channel, and two channel = well you know.....
02-12-2009, 02:37 PM
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Adding an amp/sub is definitely the biggest bang-for-your-buck upgrade - it's the most distinguishable improvement you can make. Is it the best move? That's entirely up to you.
How deep do you see yourself getting into this hobby? For starters, a used 10" sub and a decent amp is probably a good decision.
A Class D mono amp is what will be easiest to integrate into your system. Hooking up a 2 channel can get slightly complicated for people new to car audio.
How deep do you see yourself getting into this hobby? For starters, a used 10" sub and a decent amp is probably a good decision.
A Class D mono amp is what will be easiest to integrate into your system. Hooking up a 2 channel can get slightly complicated for people new to car audio.
02-12-2009, 05:35 PM
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Looks like that deck has a bit of crossover capabilities.
if you're that limited, I'd recommend you get a nice used 10 inch sub in a box and the proper amp to power it.
then use the deck to highpass the fronts at about 120-200 to take the "***" sound out of them.
to remove the lowest of notes from the sub "tighten it up" by also by high passing or using a subsonic filter to 30-50.
this is all if I'm guessing right about the sound you're after.
....the difference between mono and two channel is that mono = one channel, and two channel = well you know.....
if you're that limited, I'd recommend you get a nice used 10 inch sub in a box and the proper amp to power it.
then use the deck to highpass the fronts at about 120-200 to take the "***" sound out of them.
to remove the lowest of notes from the sub "tighten it up" by also by high passing or using a subsonic filter to 30-50.
this is all if I'm guessing right about the sound you're after.
....the difference between mono and two channel is that mono = one channel, and two channel = well you know.....
Adding an amp/sub is definitely the biggest bang-for-your-buck upgrade - it's the most distinguishable improvement you can make. Is it the best move? That's entirely up to you.
How deep do you see yourself getting into this hobby? For starters, a used 10" sub and a decent amp is probably a good decision.
A Class D mono amp is what will be easiest to integrate into your system. Hooking up a 2 channel can get slightly complicated for people new to car audio.
How deep do you see yourself getting into this hobby? For starters, a used 10" sub and a decent amp is probably a good decision.
A Class D mono amp is what will be easiest to integrate into your system. Hooking up a 2 channel can get slightly complicated for people new to car audio.
Hey guys,
Today I went to car audio haven and I was looking around. Here's what I got:
(Below) Kenwood Sub/Amp combo: Around $400 with installation.
He quoted me $185 for the install
is this reasonable? So that means the unit is $215. O yea and the unit includes wiring.what do you guys think? Sub is 10" Pictures below.
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2nd Package: Around $550 with installation and wiring
Really expensive! or is it?
Sub is 12" Pictures below
So guys what do you think? any suggestions? can i do better? Money and performance wise?
thanks
02-12-2009, 05:55 PM
#14
Hey Cam, I am in Brampton as well. Hit me up with a PM and we can get together I will be around all day Sat and Sun, I may have some stuff to help you out provided you don't mind buying gently used gear. At the worst I can show you what 2 10s in a sealed box on 380wrms is like. At least you can decide if you need it or not. Should be about the same in your car. Oh and $185 to install an amp and sub to me seems really high. You can do it yourself in an afternoon, and there are alot of guys on here that would help you out with it. Let me know, even if you buy new I can help with install so don't worry about that.
Nick
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02-12-2009, 08:13 PM
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Personally, I think most of the cost of the Kenwood subwoofer is associated with the 'fancy' box its in. I wouldn't spend my money on it.
From the specs I can find, it says that the amplifier produces 100W. There are two 5A fuses. 5A (x2) x 14.4 = 144. Assume its 70% efficient: 144 x 0.7 = 100.8W.
May I suggest the following.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Amplifiers/GM+Series/GM-3300T
GM-3300T 2 channel amp. It'll do 150W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged) If you ever decide to upgrade your system, you can use this 2ch amp (60W x 2 @ 4ohm) to power your front speakers, then get a mono amp for your sub.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Subwoofers/Champion+Series/TS-W252R TS-W252R 10" Subwoofer. 120W RMS.
You could probably find a shop that'd sell them together for $200 ($226 after tax). Then have 420Guy give you a hand with the install. There are guys on this forum that would be willing to build you a ported box for that sub for $80.
The benefit of using this, or any 'weak' 2 channel amp, is that you'll leave yourself some options further down the road. You'll still be able to use it as a 2 channel for the fronts. That Kenwood amp/sub combo doesn't leave you any options.
Again, I'm offering you my old amp for $40. 5channel Kenwood KAC-959. 40W x 4 @ 4 ohm, 150W x 1 @ 2 ohm.
I've never heard of that PowerBass brand before. That amp is capable of 300W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged). 75W x 2 @ 4 ohm. At least this amplifier will give you the option to power your fronts, further down the road.
You could spend $200 less on the Pioneer equipment and inexpensive labour (420Guy), or go with the PowerBass.
I'd save the money and put it towards front speaker upgrade.
From the specs I can find, it says that the amplifier produces 100W. There are two 5A fuses. 5A (x2) x 14.4 = 144. Assume its 70% efficient: 144 x 0.7 = 100.8W.
May I suggest the following.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Amplifiers/GM+Series/GM-3300T
GM-3300T 2 channel amp. It'll do 150W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged) If you ever decide to upgrade your system, you can use this 2ch amp (60W x 2 @ 4ohm) to power your front speakers, then get a mono amp for your sub.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Subwoofers/Champion+Series/TS-W252R TS-W252R 10" Subwoofer. 120W RMS.
You could probably find a shop that'd sell them together for $200 ($226 after tax). Then have 420Guy give you a hand with the install. There are guys on this forum that would be willing to build you a ported box for that sub for $80.
The benefit of using this, or any 'weak' 2 channel amp, is that you'll leave yourself some options further down the road. You'll still be able to use it as a 2 channel for the fronts. That Kenwood amp/sub combo doesn't leave you any options.
Again, I'm offering you my old amp for $40. 5channel Kenwood KAC-959. 40W x 4 @ 4 ohm, 150W x 1 @ 2 ohm.
I've never heard of that PowerBass brand before. That amp is capable of 300W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged). 75W x 2 @ 4 ohm. At least this amplifier will give you the option to power your fronts, further down the road.
You could spend $200 less on the Pioneer equipment and inexpensive labour (420Guy), or go with the PowerBass.
I'd save the money and put it towards front speaker upgrade.
02-12-2009, 10:27 PM
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Personally, I think most of the cost of the Kenwood subwoofer is associated with the 'fancy' box its in. I wouldn't spend my money on it.
From the specs I can find, it says that the amplifier produces 100W. There are two 5A fuses. 5A (x2) x 14.4 = 144. Assume its 70% efficient: 144 x 0.7 = 100.8W.
May I suggest the following.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Amplifiers/GM+Series/GM-3300T
GM-3300T 2 channel amp. It'll do 150W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged) If you ever decide to upgrade your system, you can use this 2ch amp (60W x 2 @ 4ohm) to power your front speakers, then get a mono amp for your sub.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Subwoofers/Champion+Series/TS-W252R TS-W252R 10" Subwoofer. 120W RMS.
You could probably find a shop that'd sell them together for $200 ($226 after tax). Then have 420Guy give you a hand with the install. There are guys on this forum that would be willing to build you a ported box for that sub for $80.
The benefit of using this, or any 'weak' 2 channel amp, is that you'll leave yourself some options further down the road. You'll still be able to use it as a 2 channel for the fronts. That Kenwood amp/sub combo doesn't leave you any options.
Again, I'm offering you my old amp for $40. 5channel Kenwood KAC-959. 40W x 4 @ 4 ohm, 150W x 1 @ 2 ohm.
I've never heard of that PowerBass brand before. That amp is capable of 300W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged). 75W x 2 @ 4 ohm. At least this amplifier will give you the option to power your fronts, further down the road.
You could spend $200 less on the Pioneer equipment and inexpensive labour (420Guy), or go with the PowerBass.
I'd save the money and put it towards front speaker upgrade.
From the specs I can find, it says that the amplifier produces 100W. There are two 5A fuses. 5A (x2) x 14.4 = 144. Assume its 70% efficient: 144 x 0.7 = 100.8W.
May I suggest the following.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Amplifiers/GM+Series/GM-3300T
GM-3300T 2 channel amp. It'll do 150W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged) If you ever decide to upgrade your system, you can use this 2ch amp (60W x 2 @ 4ohm) to power your front speakers, then get a mono amp for your sub.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Products/Car+Audio+Video/Subwoofers/Champion+Series/TS-W252R TS-W252R 10" Subwoofer. 120W RMS.
You could probably find a shop that'd sell them together for $200 ($226 after tax). Then have 420Guy give you a hand with the install. There are guys on this forum that would be willing to build you a ported box for that sub for $80.
The benefit of using this, or any 'weak' 2 channel amp, is that you'll leave yourself some options further down the road. You'll still be able to use it as a 2 channel for the fronts. That Kenwood amp/sub combo doesn't leave you any options.
Again, I'm offering you my old amp for $40. 5channel Kenwood KAC-959. 40W x 4 @ 4 ohm, 150W x 1 @ 2 ohm.
I've never heard of that PowerBass brand before. That amp is capable of 300W x 1 @ 4 ohm (bridged). 75W x 2 @ 4 ohm. At least this amplifier will give you the option to power your fronts, further down the road.
You could spend $200 less on the Pioneer equipment and inexpensive labour (420Guy), or go with the PowerBass.
I'd save the money and put it towards front speaker upgrade.
yea I PMd 420guy as well.
I will be out of the city for a bit but I'm still doing my research on car audio. it's funy plus I don't have much dough so I need to make sure what to get. lol
Anyways as you suggested, I found Canadian Tire to have both the sub and the amp.
Pioneer TS-W252R 10-in. Subwoofer $89.99
Pioneer GM3300T Amplifier $119.99
Around $237 Including tax
Box: Bassworx 10" Hatchback Sealed Subwoofer Box $19.97
all that's left is wiring
Edit: question, how big is the difference between 10" sub and a 12" sub? in the bass and sound?
Last edited by CamMcMillen99; 02-12-2009 at 10:33 PM.
02-13-2009, 05:22 AM
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With the amount of power you're giving your sub, the difference in output between a 10 and 12 inch sub will be minimal. I wouldn't even worry about it. The 10" will be fine in a ported box. Going ported will yield a little more output (volume) to make up for the relatively small amount of power.
You're not going to have pounding bass. You will have frequencies being played now that weren't possible in your car before. This will allow you to cross-over the frequencies to your other speakers so they're not taxed with playing too low, which should result in a cleaner sounding setup.
As for wiring, try this link >>> www.knukonceptz.com. You can purchase the exact lengths of wiring/cable you need for your install. Its all good quality stuff. Its American though, so exchange and shipping can add to the cost, but if you buy it you'll still get better quality for about the same amount you'd pay for an amp install kit.
I can give you a hand to determine what wiring you'd need for that amp install.
I'll figure it out this afternoon, after work - I'll check what that Pioneer suggests for that amp.
You're not going to have pounding bass. You will have frequencies being played now that weren't possible in your car before. This will allow you to cross-over the frequencies to your other speakers so they're not taxed with playing too low, which should result in a cleaner sounding setup.
As for wiring, try this link >>> www.knukonceptz.com. You can purchase the exact lengths of wiring/cable you need for your install. Its all good quality stuff. Its American though, so exchange and shipping can add to the cost, but if you buy it you'll still get better quality for about the same amount you'd pay for an amp install kit.
I can give you a hand to determine what wiring you'd need for that amp install.
I'll figure it out this afternoon, after work - I'll check what that Pioneer suggests for that amp.
Last edited by TragicMagic; 02-13-2009 at 05:26 AM.
02-13-2009, 01:48 PM
#19
I would like to design a package for you as well. I still have some deals around here. I would start off with a package that you can expand on in the future. If you go to a relatively small amp for the sub right now, it is going to limit the expansion you can do later, in other words, you can channel your $ more effectively. I would pick up a 4 channel amp and use it to power the fronts and single 12" for now. Down the road when your $ build up, you can add a dedicated mono sub amp for more power (and the ability to drive a second sub) and use the 4 channel to power the front and rears.
If you have a line on a good basic inexpensive sub box, this is what is going to make it work for you. If you want to expand at a later date (which 99% of people do) and want more bass response, it is important to choose the proper subs now. Even if you go with a basic sealed box for now as it is all the budget allows, in the future when you put the bigger mono amp in there and the proper ported box, the system is going to come to life. Then a second sub for the increase in output that most people are after. Choose smart now to expand later without wasting your $ and buying the wrong type of equipment.
Add the good installation price from someone on the forum and you have channeled your $ way better. A 4channel amp (Pioneer GM4300F 40w rms x 4), 12" sub (Pioneer Premiere TSW1207D2 - 400w rms and a 8 gauge wire kit with a second rca will be $400.00 inc. tax + shipping. This leaves you adequate room to have a box made by Jalat or to find a cheap prefab and have your install completed at the same $550 mark or cheaper yet prove to be a far more flexible long term system.
If you have a line on a good basic inexpensive sub box, this is what is going to make it work for you. If you want to expand at a later date (which 99% of people do) and want more bass response, it is important to choose the proper subs now. Even if you go with a basic sealed box for now as it is all the budget allows, in the future when you put the bigger mono amp in there and the proper ported box, the system is going to come to life. Then a second sub for the increase in output that most people are after. Choose smart now to expand later without wasting your $ and buying the wrong type of equipment.
Add the good installation price from someone on the forum and you have channeled your $ way better. A 4channel amp (Pioneer GM4300F 40w rms x 4), 12" sub (Pioneer Premiere TSW1207D2 - 400w rms and a 8 gauge wire kit with a second rca will be $400.00 inc. tax + shipping. This leaves you adequate room to have a box made by Jalat or to find a cheap prefab and have your install completed at the same $550 mark or cheaper yet prove to be a far more flexible long term system.
