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getting your foot in the door is hard. whos gonna trust you with a 50 000 car when all you have is your word. Defro is right when he says that it is better to get your foot in the door and save your 6 g's for tools. but getting your foot in the door is not easy. i applied to shop after shop and no results, i mean 30-40 accross 2 provinces. who would take a gamble on someone that didnt have shop experience. first thing they asked, do you do alarms. can you do do remote starters. so of course i didnt. still dont. but after going to MD i had a job offered to me while i was there just about to finish. bosses looked for me. And now im employed. Its an investemet. sure experience is just as good. but you dont go to MD to learn experience. you go to learn theory . the basics. the underlying fundamentals that cannot be taught by someone that doesnt know them. They do cut the wood for you, but not because they do the work for you. its so that you dont slice your fingers off on a saw youve never used before. seen it happen... finger came right off at the tip. so they are use caution. you will not be an excellent installer but it will prove that you are dedicated and that you know the fundametals that is needed to install in todays complex vehicles.
MD is a preference.
would you trust your install to a guy that says that he has 20 years experience or a guy that can prove it. well with a certificate you can prove that you have the know how and dedcation. experience can be proven. ask any installer if he would trust a kid fresh out of high school or fresh out of MD. the experienced installer can get a job and at least can get an interview and prove his knowledge. but if you dont have that, what can you prove?... that you like car audio and that you sort of can install. You cant put a md graduate against an experienced installer and see who knows more.
I went and it has made me who i am today. Just ask on any forum if any graduate found it easier to get a job before or after attending. youll get the same response each time. it is easier to get your foot in the door with the knowledge youll get from MD.
Dave MAC is right also. it is an excellent place to go learn the trade especially if no one will give you the chance. call up every store in your area research it. ask if they would hire you without experience and then ask them if you had MECP certification from mobile dynamcis, would the hire. As plai nand simply. " I've been thinking of taking the course at MD...would you hire me if i once i go there?" see what results you get. post it on here. but cold calling will get you results in your area.
[ March 20, 2005, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
MD is a preference.
would you trust your install to a guy that says that he has 20 years experience or a guy that can prove it. well with a certificate you can prove that you have the know how and dedcation. experience can be proven. ask any installer if he would trust a kid fresh out of high school or fresh out of MD. the experienced installer can get a job and at least can get an interview and prove his knowledge. but if you dont have that, what can you prove?... that you like car audio and that you sort of can install. You cant put a md graduate against an experienced installer and see who knows more.
I went and it has made me who i am today. Just ask on any forum if any graduate found it easier to get a job before or after attending. youll get the same response each time. it is easier to get your foot in the door with the knowledge youll get from MD.
Dave MAC is right also. it is an excellent place to go learn the trade especially if no one will give you the chance. call up every store in your area research it. ask if they would hire you without experience and then ask them if you had MECP certification from mobile dynamcis, would the hire. As plai nand simply. " I've been thinking of taking the course at MD...would you hire me if i once i go there?" see what results you get. post it on here. but cold calling will get you results in your area.
[ March 20, 2005, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
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pat you didnt get a job installing though did you? and who would trust 50k car to a fresh md graduate, i would take a kid with no experience and train him myself that a mm graduate
jnd, i could teach a non "graduate" to do an alarm in 4 hours within 3 months of decent training and he would still have his 6 g's, whats the big deal
jnd, i could teach a non "graduate" to do an alarm in 4 hours within 3 months of decent training and he would still have his 6 g's, whats the big deal
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no big deal. he wants an opiinion. and in toronto they have to be certified thru the govt to do certain installs. i cant realy remember what it is exactly, but their laws are much more strict. if he was working in kelowna or bc or ab hes be going on shear apprearance.
im pretty sure that you can take a kid and make him into an installer. but there is no guarantee that a pretty face is gonna get the position with you. this person is in TO. where MD is. Who do you think is gonna give him a chance in the same city that is riddled with MD graduates. we are the farthest things from TO. he is not.
and no i dont install. but i can. and i know how. i can walk you thru an install backard and forward. and explain what every atom is doing. but Dave O do you really think that some one would have hired me with no experience way back then. do you think id would made an spl car without it. or started a club or met you. I would still be in edmonton wondering if what a relay does, or a circuit breaker does. or what sound does. or what electricity does. Id be sitting there wonding if MD wouldve helped me... particularly.
That is why he should contact his area and find out what is needed to get hired when you have no experience
you are right in saying that getting taught by an experienceed installer is a good thing. and that saving your 6 g's for tools is good. he isnt gonna have an easy time finding a guy as good as you and as straight as you. I wish i wouldve applied to you way back then, you might have given me a chance. cause no one else did back then.
and sorry i do get very passionate about this. i love car audio. tried very hard to get in. very hard. moved to bc to try. just didnt have any luck. no certification no job. no experience no job. but ask me now how many job offereings i get. or how many sales man i can talk circles around cause of what i learned at MD
[ March 20, 2005, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
im pretty sure that you can take a kid and make him into an installer. but there is no guarantee that a pretty face is gonna get the position with you. this person is in TO. where MD is. Who do you think is gonna give him a chance in the same city that is riddled with MD graduates. we are the farthest things from TO. he is not.
and no i dont install. but i can. and i know how. i can walk you thru an install backard and forward. and explain what every atom is doing. but Dave O do you really think that some one would have hired me with no experience way back then. do you think id would made an spl car without it. or started a club or met you. I would still be in edmonton wondering if what a relay does, or a circuit breaker does. or what sound does. or what electricity does. Id be sitting there wonding if MD wouldve helped me... particularly.
That is why he should contact his area and find out what is needed to get hired when you have no experience
you are right in saying that getting taught by an experienceed installer is a good thing. and that saving your 6 g's for tools is good. he isnt gonna have an easy time finding a guy as good as you and as straight as you. I wish i wouldve applied to you way back then, you might have given me a chance. cause no one else did back then.
and sorry i do get very passionate about this. i love car audio. tried very hard to get in. very hard. moved to bc to try. just didnt have any luck. no certification no job. no experience no job. but ask me now how many job offereings i get. or how many sales man i can talk circles around cause of what i learned at MD
[ March 20, 2005, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Team Shadow ]
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my point pat was that you stroke the benefits of md yet yu dont install for a living,md did help you get the job you have but the intention of md is not for peopple to get the job you got is itif you plan on installing in ontatio, than yes it is, anywhere else i dont think so
pat, i would have hired you, you are a passionate guy who has a infectious personality, i would still hire you, you could move more boxes out the door that you can imagine, i see your massive potential and it bugs me that i cant take advantage of it
pat, i would have hired you, you are a passionate guy who has a infectious personality, i would still hire you, you could move more boxes out the door that you can imagine, i see your massive potential and it bugs me that i cant take advantage of it
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Originally posted by JND:
Got three job offers after attending M/D with no previous experience. 1st alarm took me 8 hours. After 3 months, it was down to 4 hours with no complaints on the alarms. Got 6g's back and more.
Got three job offers after attending M/D with no previous experience. 1st alarm took me 8 hours. After 3 months, it was down to 4 hours with no complaints on the alarms. Got 6g's back and more.
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I would rather let a fresh blood M/D student work on a 50K+ plus car than a guy who got hired to sweep the floor.
This is exactly why M/D exists - they give you the basic knowledge and common sense and behind-the-scenes understanding of how things work so that you are less likely to blow something up, melt it down or otherwise make a mess than a guy with no experience. You can't expect to take a one or two month program and walk out with a decade's worth of experience. M/D doesn't advertise that, nor do they claim that.
If you (anyone) wants in to the industry, and you have a good head on your shoulders, it's the way to go.
This is exactly why M/D exists - they give you the basic knowledge and common sense and behind-the-scenes understanding of how things work so that you are less likely to blow something up, melt it down or otherwise make a mess than a guy with no experience. You can't expect to take a one or two month program and walk out with a decade's worth of experience. M/D doesn't advertise that, nor do they claim that.
If you (anyone) wants in to the industry, and you have a good head on your shoulders, it's the way to go.
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dave, the very things that you mentioned about md, are the very things that any responsible shop would teach
a md graduate is barely anymore qualified to work on a 50k car than a helper, imo
the guy asked for an opinion on if the 6k is worth it or not, in my shop a md graduate certificate means as much as having worked at mcdonalds, actaully i would hire the mcd's guy first, cuz if you can manage to work there for any legnth of time, youve made it throught the training they provide and that makes you more qualified that any md grad with no experience, work at mcd's for a year then do mobile dynamics and i might fire a broom you way
a md graduate is barely anymore qualified to work on a 50k car than a helper, imo
the guy asked for an opinion on if the 6k is worth it or not, in my shop a md graduate certificate means as much as having worked at mcdonalds, actaully i would hire the mcd's guy first, cuz if you can manage to work there for any legnth of time, youve made it throught the training they provide and that makes you more qualified that any md grad with no experience, work at mcd's for a year then do mobile dynamics and i might fire a broom you way
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defro, you are entitled to your opinion... As am I..
If you don't hold any value in an employee having training when they show up at your door, that's your decision.
If I was running a shop, I'd take an MD graduate over someone who didn't have that experience, then I wouldn't have to take the time out of my schedule and my time for actually doing work to train them to get them to the same point.
Can an installer train someone to the same level as MD? Sure, but they have to take time. Let them go to MD, spend the money, learn the stuff, and come in with a head start. At least they'd know not to go probing wires with a test light and stuff like that. Might save you having to replace an airbag or windshield.
Anyways, now babu has our opinions.
If you don't hold any value in an employee having training when they show up at your door, that's your decision.
If I was running a shop, I'd take an MD graduate over someone who didn't have that experience, then I wouldn't have to take the time out of my schedule and my time for actually doing work to train them to get them to the same point.
Can an installer train someone to the same level as MD? Sure, but they have to take time. Let them go to MD, spend the money, learn the stuff, and come in with a head start. At least they'd know not to go probing wires with a test light and stuff like that. Might save you having to replace an airbag or windshield.
Anyways, now babu has our opinions.
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I got offers from 2 chain stores and an offer from an independent store.
Having a good foundation is good thing. you will learn faster and do a proper job. Some shops like to hire MECP installers because of insurance purposes.
[ March 21, 2005, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: JND ]
Having a good foundation is good thing. you will learn faster and do a proper job. Some shops like to hire MECP installers because of insurance purposes.
[ March 21, 2005, 02:21 AM: Message edited by: JND ]
